WotC Anyone Else Tired of the Wizards Bashing?

[trappedslider]

Never underestimate the addiction of MTG players. I mean that quite seriously.

meh most magic players (almost typed sane magic players bahaha) don't act like WotC personally harmed them when making a change.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

I certainly had Amazon ask for things back when they sent the wrong thing...

You have? I get baffled responses from Amazon when I ask them if they want stuff they accidentally gave me back. None of it was worth more than $100, though, so maybe the price matters to them.

 

[doctorbadwolf]

A lot of people like acting moralistic and outraged on the internet, and they like taking shots at whoever is on top. Some YouTubers try to monetize that. It's hard to take most it seriously. If it's a YouTube channel I don't go there, if it's a poster I put them on ignore.

Yep, and some journalists like to try to capitalize on that to further their own career, as well. Doesn’t help.

I don’t even beleive public ally traded corporations should exist, at least not as they do currently, but some folks are just damn near rabid about anything negative wotc does.

 

[LeviKornelsen]

depends on what 'unordered' means, i.e. without ordering anything, or ordering something else but receiving the wrong product. I certainly had Amazon ask for things back when they sent the wrong thing...

I mean, they're allowed to ask, obviously, and reasonable people get to hash stuff out in reasonable ways outside of using the actual legal system. But when the metal meets the meat, in terms of packages and such, the regulations go hard on the side of "If you didn't want them to have it, you shouldn't have bloody well sent it to them".

 

[Scribe]

meh most magic players (almost typed sane magic players bahaha) don't act like WotC personally harmed them when making a change.

Sure, but you werent talking about them. They would have never cared (or voiced it enough) about the 30th anyway as 'most' magic players are not among the terminally online as we are.

 

[Raiztt]

I love how you spin arguments to fit your stance at any given moment.

I would have to take a position to have a 'stance' - I am arguing against other people, not for my own position.

 

[Aldarc]

If anyone cares more about MTG cards than they do burritos, their priorities are all out of whack.

Burritos are delicious.

I'm more of a taco guy.

That's not "Wizards bashing". That's accountability.

That's the problem. Accountability inconveniences the consumers who just wanna consume their favorite products without thinking about the unethical things going on behind or even front of the screen so they will either defend it or turn a blind eye to it all.

 

[trappedslider]

Sure, but you werent talking about them. They would have never cared (or voiced it enough) about the 30th anyway as 'most' magic players are not among the terminally online as we are.

I rolled my eyes and said "Oh well" when it was revealed.

 

[Scribe]

I rolled my eyes and said "Oh well" when it was revealed.

I'll have to assume you are not a recovering mtg addict then.

 

[Raiztt]

If its the right thing to do, why did they put out an apology for it?

Because they don't care about what's right or wrong they care about money and they perceived not apologizing would possibly decrease their money.

 

[mamba]

If its the right thing to do, why did they put out an apology for it?

as I said, PR / damage control. Do you think Budweiser firing the two marketing guys over the one transgender influencer was because they actually made a mistake this severe or because it functions as damage control...

 

[Warpiglet-7]

I started reading thinking this was about the wizard class. Alas, it’s about the company…

I am tired of it for sure. It has lost all novelty.

When the complaining maybe pushed wizards to a better direction, sure. Gripe away.

When it degenerates to shock about corporate greed etc etc

Ugh…does nothing for me. I do however like some of their game products…

 

[mamba]

You have? I get baffled responses from Amazon when I ask them if they want stuff they accidentally gave me back. None of it was worth more than $100, though, so maybe the price matters to them.

depends on the case, there are also ones where they did not ask for it back

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

I'm more of a taco guy.

Impossible to argue with that.

 

[mamba]

Impossible to argue with that.

finally something that meets that criteria

 

[LeviKornelsen]

as I said, PR / damage control. Do you think Budweiser firing the two marketing guys over the one transgender influencer was because they actually made a mistake this severe or because it functions as damage control...

I actually agree entirely here. A corporate entity apologizing for an action and that corporation's management sincerely believing in the apology are only occasionally connected, and in this case I doubt it strongly.

Wizards top brass is a lot of former Amazon/ Microsoft folks; they're there to do business, not steward the community or any of that.

 

[trappedslider]

I'll have to assume you are not a recovering mtg addict then.

I still play, but it's only commander and I'll buy a pack or two. My biggest purchase will be when i pre-order the commander legends per-cons.

I do however like some of their game products…

Same, I own books but I don't play D&D.

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Wizards top brass is a lot of former Amazon/ Microsoft folks; they're there to do business, not steward the community or any of that.

The irony is that, by and large, once Microsoft got serious about gaming, they became good stewards of those brands. I remember when everyone was sure MS was going to ruin Minecraft and instead, it's been great. Shockingly great, in fact.

On the other hand, Amazon Gaming ...

 

[Amrûnril]

I love D&D and really wish I could be happy with the company that produces its official products. WotC's recent conduct, though, makes that impossible. This conduct reflect a profound disrespect for their customers, for their business partners, and for the underlying principle that laws, contracts and ethical principles exist to protect other parties' rights, not just their own.

In the OGL dispute, WotC announced their intention to revoke an agreement that was written to be irrevocable, that they repeatedly affirmed was irrevocable, and that others had built livelihoods around. They ultimately backed down, but notably did not retract the claim that they could retract the OGL if they wanted to.

In the Pinkerton case, WotC deployed private enforcers (likely armed) to circumvent the legal process for resolving property disputes. They ultimately gave the other party replacement cards for the ones they intimidated him into surrendering, but they didn't give him the opportunity to consult a lawyer about the relevant legal claims before "agreeing" to their offer.

What both of these incidents reflect is a desire by WotC to unilaterally dictate the rules of their business dealings. WotC is happy to argue that their proposed license terms and dispute resolutions are fair. Sometimes, they're willing to be generous with those terms. What they're not willing to do is negotiate those terms. From their perspective, customers and business partners have have privileges that WotC has generously elected to give them, but they don't have rights that WotC has to respect when it proves inconvenient.

 

[jerryrice4949]

Ironically this thread has turned into exactly what the poster is tired of.