Anyone seen Kill Bill yet? [merged]
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Vocenoctum
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Joshua Dyal said:
I watched the movie (which isn't really bad..) while chatting with someone and told them the same thing. "If you liked the book, the movie is a little weak" "why?" "well.... it has a happy ending."
Desdichado
Hero
Right! I still liked the movie quite a bit, but the ending was a little hard to swallow.
Desdichado
Hero
Sympathetic and identification are two different things. We can identify with characters we dislike, to a certain extent, if we can understand how they got to be the way they are, and can say "I could have been there, under the right (or wrong) circumstances." That's a far cry from being sympathetic, though. Sure, Hamlet himself is a sissy-boy that we grow to dislike strongly, but at the same time, we can see his descent into jerkhood, so we can identify even as he hate him.
Nightfall
Sage of the Scarred Lands
I guess I see the anime references more clearly because I've read a few and also compared US produced anime (not to be confused with created. I merely talking about dubbed Anime), I see a lot of influence. Take the sword fight in the snow in the House of the Blue Leaves.
That reminded me strongly of some of the fights in Samurai X/Kenshin. Difference was, they cut out a lot of dialogue there. That plus 88 guys she fought off, reminded me of Trigun as well as a few others. Believe me, I could see that as well as the spagetti western parts (the whole nameless chick avenging herself was definately a homage in some ways to Clint Eastwood's style of acting/directing). Plus the whole lines with the stuff about God, reminded me strongly of the old Kung-fu movies as well.
Kill Bill for me as a piece of cinamatic greatness. It's not about the characters, the story or even the fighting. It's about watching something that unfolds like a train wreck or a sharp scream...and seeing it turn into something else. Something wonderous. Something awesome. Something that while you migh abhore, doesn't stop you from feeling the mood, the music, the scenes. Yes you'll find the violence a little childish. But so what? I will say this. Compared to the Maxtrix and it's counterpart, Matrix Reloaded, I felt MORE involved in Kill Bill than either of those two.
That reminded me strongly of some of the fights in Samurai X/Kenshin. Difference was, they cut out a lot of dialogue there. That plus 88 guys she fought off, reminded me of Trigun as well as a few others. Believe me, I could see that as well as the spagetti western parts (the whole nameless chick avenging herself was definately a homage in some ways to Clint Eastwood's style of acting/directing). Plus the whole lines with the stuff about God, reminded me strongly of the old Kung-fu movies as well.
Kill Bill for me as a piece of cinamatic greatness. It's not about the characters, the story or even the fighting. It's about watching something that unfolds like a train wreck or a sharp scream...and seeing it turn into something else. Something wonderous. Something awesome. Something that while you migh abhore, doesn't stop you from feeling the mood, the music, the scenes. Yes you'll find the violence a little childish. But so what? I will say this. Compared to the Maxtrix and it's counterpart, Matrix Reloaded, I felt MORE involved in Kill Bill than either of those two.
jdavis
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I see the anime link it just doesn't click for me. Yea the movie does have similarities to some anime shows but it really isn't similar to anime in general. Heck most anime has more in common with Three's Company than it does with Kill Bill (we just get all the violent ones in America because those are the ones that sell here 
). The couple of anime shows that have been mentioned were influenced by the same types of shows Kill Bill was, it's not a anime style, those shows are immulating those type of action movies. Even the anime scene in Kill Bill really didn't make me think anime at all, it made me think John Woo movie. Tarantino is a anime fan and he probably did get some ideas from certain shows but to say Kill Bill is like anime is the same as saying all American movies are like Star Wars. I doubt you will find any similarities between Kill Bill and Love Hina or Kill Bill and Evangelion, heck aside from the mass amounts of violence you probably couldn't find that much similar between Kill Bill and Berserk. There would be a lot of similarities with shows like Crying Freeman and The Profesional Golgo 13 which are shows heavily influenced by Hong Kong action movies or with shows like Ninja Scroll which is a show heavily influenced by the old Ninja and Samurai movies. It's just not a anime style thing (like say if everybody had huge eyes and a little mouth or that they were tall and skinny with wild colored hair).
). The couple of anime shows that have been mentioned were influenced by the same types of shows Kill Bill was, it's not a anime style, those shows are immulating those type of action movies. Even the anime scene in Kill Bill really didn't make me think anime at all, it made me think John Woo movie. Tarantino is a anime fan and he probably did get some ideas from certain shows but to say Kill Bill is like anime is the same as saying all American movies are like Star Wars. I doubt you will find any similarities between Kill Bill and Love Hina or Kill Bill and Evangelion, heck aside from the mass amounts of violence you probably couldn't find that much similar between Kill Bill and Berserk. There would be a lot of similarities with shows like Crying Freeman and The Profesional Golgo 13 which are shows heavily influenced by Hong Kong action movies or with shows like Ninja Scroll which is a show heavily influenced by the old Ninja and Samurai movies. It's just not a anime style thing (like say if everybody had huge eyes and a little mouth or that they were tall and skinny with wild colored hair).
barsoomcore
Unattainable Ideal
If I ever get to meet Mr. Tarantino, I'm going to ask him if the black and white portion of the House of Falling Leaves fight was meant to make me remember the end of Sword of Doom -- especially since the moment it turns back into colour felt like the moment right at the end, where they finally corner the guy and kill him -- so it goes into colour to tell us this time, the crazy one's not going down.jdavis said:
You know, it's crazy but Uma Thurman's legs are not long enough for her to emulate an anime character.
And that's just messed up.
It's hard not to laugh when you go to Japan if you're at all familiar with anime character drawing -- because 99% of the people in Japan are about as far from the typical anime character as the human body can get. Talk about your cultural sub-consciousness! Oh and the other funny thing is that while all the Japanese characters have big round eyes, the Chinese and Korean characters always have slanted eyes. Nice.
Shadowdancer
First Post
I think the concepts you are looking for are "sympathy" and "empathy."Joshua Dyal said:
Man, you guys must have studied a different version of "Hamlet" than I did. I think he's a very sympathetic character, I never thought he was a jerk, and never grew to hate him.
shilsen
Adventurer
Shadowdancer said:
I hadn't bothered to reply to the point the earlier posters made about "Hamlet", but I agree with you. One of the few ways to think Hamlet is a jerk is to totally ignore the context of the play (historical, religious, and literary) and apply 20th-21st century perspectives to it.
As for him being a sissy-boy (to use Joshua Dyal's term), nobody who kicks the ass of the best swordsman in the kingdom (Laertes) and singlehandedly leaps alone onto the deck of a pirate ship to attack its crew (I need to make a "Dread Pirate Hamlet" movie someday) should be described that way.
