Arcane spellcasting based on wisdom

[mikebr99]

Is this so you only have one stat to support all your casting?

be a favoured soul/sorcerer/MT then... just don't learn any FS spells that would require a save... as the DC is based on WIS.... get those spells from the sorcerer side.

Mike

 

[Nifft]

Why yes, that should be difficult. An Arcane caster should not be able to One-dip a level of monk and tie his casting stat to his AC.

(Unless he's a Sorcerer and also spends a feat from Complete Adventurer... )

Cheers, -- N

 

[frankthedm]

I'm guessing then that you're not a fan of the "Ascetic Mage" feat from CAdv?

Never seen it. It sounds like it works on charisma, thus forcing going sorcerer. Sorcerers are already behind in getting the next level of spell so it sounds a bit less egregious.

(Unless he's a Sorcerer and also spends a feat from Complete Adventurer... )

A giant that spends a feat from Complete Adventure can gain +6 to +11 to hit with its boulders so it can even out....

 

[Zebediah Magus]

Thanks for all the ideas! I believe I'll just dump my physical stats and go for a regular cleric/wizard.

Okay... so suppose you go Cleric 3 / Wizard 3 / Mystic Theurge 10 / X 4, or something similar. Taking Practised Spellcaster twice, that leaves 7 feats available. Spend 4 or 5 of those on Arcane Disciple (a domain of Wee Jas). I guess you could end up with Death, Law, Domination, Inquisition, Pride. Whatever. Add your X levels to Wizard, so you end with casting as a Wiz17, Cleric 13. By the time you're 9th level or so, you'll have at least 2 Arcane Disciple feats, depending on the order you take them in, and you'll be casting as a Wizard 6, with 3rd level spells as your highest (ouch). Beyond that, your Arcane Disciple feats will keep ahead of your spell levels, so you won't need Int to be any higher than 14 or 15. You still get those higher level Wizard slots, even though you can't prepare normal Wizard spells in them (but that doesn't matter since you'll be casting cleric domain spells using Wisdom from them). With 4 Arcane Disciple feats, you'll have enough options to fill in all those higher slots from your domains. For added fun, go cloistered cleric to pick up the Knowledge domain, and use the Divine Magician variant, to pick up some actually useful Wizard spells for your cleric list. It's very ugly, but it does what you want, I think.

I don't have my books at hand, but it looks sound enough.

 

[moritheil]

Why yes, that should be difficult. An Arcane caster should not be able to One-dip a level of monk and tie his casting stat to his AC. Clerics and druids can pull it off, but they could have used good old fashioned armor and shields for a better AC most of the time.

I'm confused by this. Isn't that exactly the point of the aescetic mage feat?

Never seen it. It sounds like it works on charisma, thus forcing going sorcerer. Sorcerers are already behind in getting the next level of spell so it sounds a bit less egregious.

Ah, okay. Yes, it does, and it specifies that you must take levels in sorcerer. In other words, even if you are some other cha-based arcane casting class (hexblade?) you can't take it.

 

[moritheil]

Thanks for all the ideas! I believe I'll just dump my physical stats and go for a regular cleric/wizard.

I suggest fast-build Cleric/Sorcerer where possible, but then, Fast-MT is hotly debated.

Fast MT is: Sorc 1 with Precocious Apprentice (which enables you to cast 1 2nd level spell), Cleric 3, MT X.

For additional amusement, try using a metamagic sorcerer or a battle sorcerer for the arcane side of things, and a cloistered cleric for the divine side.

 

[rgard]

I suggest fast-build Cleric/Sorcerer where possible, but then, Fast-MT is hotly debated.

Fast MT is: Sorc 1 with Precocious Apprentice (which enables you to cast 1 2nd level spell), Cleric 3, MT X.

For additional amusement, try using a metamagic sorcerer or a battle sorcerer for the arcane side of things, and a cloistered cleric for the divine side.

Well, a little less than 'hotly'. It actually got FAQ'd or Sage Adviced saying you can't do that to qualify for PrCs that require 2nd level spell casting.

That said, if a player asked me if he/she could do it, I probably would allow it in my campaign.

Thanks,
Rich

 

[moritheil]

Well, a little less than 'hotly'. It actually got FAQ'd or Sage Adviced saying you can't do that to qualify for PrCs that require 2nd level spell casting.

That said, if a player asked me if he/she could do it, I probably would allow it in my campaign.

Thanks,
Rich

Right, but that was based on WoTC asking the authors, who said, "Oops, we didn't mean to make that possible." Not everyone holds that author intent (especially only after the fact, and as a correction to unforseen implications) is the most meaningful way to interpret RAW.

Anyhow, I just thought I'd mention it, since some DMs are open to it.

 

[messy]

empyreal sorcerer

 

[Dannyalcatraz]

Aaaaaancient thread!