Are the ECL/LA ratings for these races accurate?

[Wolfspider]

I'd like a second (and third and fourth and...) opinion on whether or not the ECL/LA ratings I've given these races are fair.

Thanks.

Here ya go:

Avari (Silvan Elves)
· +2 Dexterity, +2 Wisdom
· Medium-size (6’ tall)
· Base speed 30 feet
· Low-light vision
· Immunity to sleep spells and enchantments and non-magical diseases. Sindar, as all Elves, are immune to aging. They do not sleep, meditating instead for about three hours every day.
· +2 racial bonus on Saving Throws vs. fire and cold effects.
· +2 racial bonus on Listen, Search, and Spot checks. +4 racial bonus on Wilderness Lore, Knowledge (Nature), and Perform (Sing) checks.
· Magical skills are considered cross-class skills for Avar Elves.
· Automatic languages: Silvan, Sindarin, Westron
· Level Adjustment: +1

Noldor (High Elves)
· +2 Strength, +2 Dexterity, +2 Intelligence, +2 Wisdom, +4 Presence
· Medium-size (6’ to 7’ tall)
· Base speed 30 feet
· Low-light vision
· Immunity to sleep spells and enchantments and non-magical diseases. Noldor, as all elves, are immune to aging. They do not sleep, meditating instead for about three hours every day.
· +2 racial bonus on Saving Throws vs. fire and cold effects.
· +2 racial bonus on Listen, Search, and Spot checks. +4 racial bonus on Appraise and Craft checks.
· Magical skills are considered class skills for Noldor elves.
· Noldor elves can telepathically communicate with sentient creatures with line of sight range.
· Because of their dual nature as both physical and spiritual beings, they can see and interact with ethereal creatures and objects.
· Automatic languages: Quenya, Sindarin, Westron
· Level Adjustment: +3

Peredhil (Half-Elf)
· +2 Dexterity, +2 Wisdom, +2 Presence
· Medium-size (5’ 6” to 6’ 6” tall)
· Base speed 30 feet
· Low-light vision
· Half-Elves only need four hours of rest a day, meditation for those who choose immortality, sleep for mortals.
· +1 bonus feat at 1st level
· +1 racial bonus on Listen, Search, and Spot checks. Magical skills are considered cross-class skills for Half-Elves.
· +4 bonus Skill Points at 1st level and +1 bonus Skill Point per level thereafter.
· Automatic languages: Sindarin, Westron
· Level Adjustment: +1

Sindar (Grey Elves)
· +2 Dexterity, +2 Intelligence, +2 Wisdom, +2 Presence
· Medium-size (6’ to 6’6” tall)
· Base speed 30 feet
· Low-light vision
· Immunity to sleep spells and enchantments and non-magical diseases. Sindar, as all Elves, are immune to aging. They do not sleep, meditating instead for about three hours every day.
· +2 racial bonus on Saving Throws vs. fire and cold effects.
· +2 racial bonus on Listen, Search, Spot, and Swim checks. +4 racial bonus on Profession (Sailor) and Craft (Shipwright) checks.
· Magical skills are considered class skills for Sindar Elves.
· Automatic languages: Quenya, Silvan, Sindarin, Westron
· Level Adjustment: +2

 

[AGGEMAM]

I think they look alright, but shouldn't they have been posted the House Rule section?

 

[graydoom]

They look pretty good to me, but what is "Presence"? Is that a different name for Charisma?

 

[Zerovoid]

They look pretty good. For all those races, it looks like the most substantial benefit is the increased ability scores. The Aasimar is ECL +1, and has a net +4, so is a good comparison. All your races look like they are about in line with that level of power.

I like the name Presence to replace Cha. Thats pretty cool, and it more directly represents what Charisma is in 3rd edition anyway.

 

[Wolfspider]

Thanks...

Thanks for the input!

Yes, Presence is what I renamed Charisma in my Middle Earth D20 conversion.

I considered putting this question in the house rules section, but I'm not really submitting these as a house rule; I'm trying to figure out if they mess with the established races and the rules in general.

Keep the comments coming....

 

[Ravellion]

They look pretty good. For all those races, it looks like the most substantial benefit is the increased ability scores. The Aasimar is ECL +1, and has a net +4, so is a good comparison.

Just remember that a bonus to a physical stat is potentially more unbalancing than a bonus to a mental stat... at least, I agree with the PHB on that.

Rav

 

[graydoom]

I like the name Presence to replace Cha. Thats pretty cool, and it more directly represents what Charisma is in 3rd edition anyway.

I sorta agree with this... but CHA is really defined as this anyway, so I don't think it really needs changing. And a change like this might confuse people... and personally, I don't the sound or look of PRE.

 

[Wolfspider]

Well, since these races are from my Middle Earth D20 conversion and the original Middle Earth Role Playing game used Presence, I kinda feel justified in using the stat name. Also, Presence seems to fit the Middle Earth flavor. Some beings in the world--Sauron, Galadriel, Gandalf the White--just have a tangilbe...well, presence about them.

Anyway, back to the ECL/LA scores. Considering that many of the abilities that the races get are rather low key (except for the ability bonuses), do you think I'm being fair here? I want Noldor and Sindar to be powerful races, but I don't want to overcompensate....

 

[Wolfspider]

Bump!

 

[trentonjoe]

I think they are a little to high. Someone has to disagree right?

THe high elf (noldor) is way to high. The bonus are all neat but a 4th level human mage will blow through a 1st level noldor mage.
I think they are probably a +2. THey're most useful (and potentially unbalancing ability) is the see etehreal creatures.
Does this mean all invisible cretaures or just ethereal?

The grey elf sindar may not be a +2 either. I would really playtest this one. My opinion is that this is on the strong side of +1 but not a +2.

These modifications are really neat but they are mostly flavor bonuses not combat unbalancing abilities. THe ECL's are for making fair fights and a +4 to shipbuilding checks isn't going to sway to many battles.

Just my opinion, please note that I am wrong an awful lot of the time.