Are there any ways to negate Evasion?

[Plane Sailing]

Looking for ways to negate Evasion. Class ability, feat, spell, anything...?

Because Rogues are so hideously overpowered that it is the only way to reign them in?

 

[Whimsical]

Fighters have their HP, spellcasters have buffs, rogues have evasion. Why the big hate? Sure they rule when facing fireballs from a wand wielder, but there are so many other situations where they can feel pretty useless, such as when facing un-sneak-attackable opponents. Let them shine when they can!

 

[Felix]

Why the big hate?

It might just be that his party is having a hard time killing an onery assassin...

But RigaMortus2, why do you ask?

 

[shilsen]

It might just be that his party is having a hard time killing an onery assassin...

Evasion or no evasion, attacking an assassin (or rogue) with "Ref save for half" spells is hardly the smartest route to go.

 

[Felix]

Evasion or no evasion, attacking an assassin (or rogue) with "Ref save for half" spells is hardly the smartest route to go.

Thus he asks for advice on how to negate Evasion.

But the assassin example was merely posited because Plane Sailing and Whimsical sounded somewhat put off at the thought of someone wanting to negate evasion; there could be a reason to want to negate Evasion and not think rogues are overpowered; that's all I was saying.

 

[RigaMortus2]

Fighters have their HP, spellcasters have buffs, rogues have evasion. Why the big hate? Sure they rule when facing fireballs from a wand wielder, but there are so many other situations where they can feel pretty useless, such as when facing un-sneak-attackable opponents. Let them shine when they can!

No offense, but I don't want my enemies to shine. If you were a player and had the ability to take away an enemy's defense, wouldn't you try and do it? I've never seen a player NOT try to take advantage of an enemy's weakness if it is presented to them.

 

[RigaMortus2]

Because Rogues are so hideously overpowered that it is the only way to reign them in?

Huh? Are you asking a question in response to my question? I don't understand...

 

[Al'Kelhar]

HOUSE RULE ALERT.

IMC area-of-effect spells with the [cold] descriptor target the Fortitude save. Therefore, evasion is of no use against them.

Cheers, Al'Kelhar

 

[Dross]

HOUSE RULE ALERT.

IMC area-of-effect spells with the [cold] descriptor target the Fortitude save. Therefore, evasion is of no use against them.

Cheers, Al'Kelhar

I'm curious, what is your reasoning for this Al'kelhar?

 

[shilsen]

Thus he asks for advice on how to negate Evasion.

My point was that even if one can negate evasion, a rogue type will usually make the Ref save and take half damage. It's better to just use Fort and Will targeting spells vs. that type of enemy.

But the assassin example was merely posited because Plane Sailing and Whimsical sounded somewhat put off at the thought of someone wanting to negate evasion; there could be a reason to want to negate Evasion and not think rogues are overpowered; that's all I was saying.

That, I agree with.