Are Video Games Ruining Your Role-playing?

I love RPG video games, but they might be causing some sub-optimal habits in our tabletop role playing. So what’s a GM to do about it?

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Way back when, video games and RPGs weren’t too different. The video games often focused on killing stuff and getting treasure and so did plenty of dungeon modules. But it wasn’t very long before tabletop games moved into more narrative and character driven play which video games had a hard time following. While some video games like Dragon Age have tried to mirror role playing, you still only get a selection of options in interaction.

Nowadays, tabletop gaming has branched well beyond the elements that have been automated in video games. For players coming from video games, those elements can cause a biased approach to tabletop gaming that might make the game less fun. Below are some examples of how "video game creep" can affect tabletop RPG play styles and how to address them.

The Plot Will Happen Regardless​

While no one likes an interminable planning session, they do at least remind us that the players are not just participating but driving the story. In a video game the story happens whether you like it or not. You just need to keep putting one foot in front of the other and the story will happen regardless. So the bad habit here is a desire of players to ‘just move on’ assuming the GM will just give the plot to them as they go. This often comes unstuck in an investigative RPG where the players need to plan and consider, but it can cause problems in any game. Just pushing ahead will often clue in the bad guys about what is going on. Worse, without some effort to uncover clues, the players will just be floundering, wondering why the plot hasn’t miraculously appeared.

To get players out of this mode the GM might have be initially be a bit more obvious with clues. Almost to the point of putting a helpful flashing icon over them so the players can find them. The key here is to get them looking for clues and trying to understand the plot rather than just assuming inaction will solve the adventure regardless. Once players remember the clues will not come to them they will start trying to find them again.

“Nothing Is Too Much for Us!”​

With the option to save and return to a tough problem, video games offer the idea that any character can potentially tackle anything that is thrown at them. After all, the hero of a video game is a pregenerated character with all the right skills (or at least the means of acquiring them). This is also coupled with the fact that if the video game throws an army of zombies at you, then you expect to be able to fight them off. No problem is insoluble as long as you are prepared to persevere.

While perseverance isn’t a bad trait, sometimes the player characters shouldn't attempt to face all obstacles with brute force. The GM might have put them against insurmountable odds because they should be retreating. They assume putting 100 zombies in the room will make it pretty clear the way is blocked, then get surprised when the PCs draw swords and dive in. Then they are even more confused when the PCs accuse them of killing off their characters by putting too many monsters in, when no one forced them to fight them.

It is hard for some players to realise that retreat is also an option. But if you are used to facing and defeating supposedly insurmountable odds it is unlikely you’ll think of making a run for it. This attitude might also give some players the idea that any character can do anything leading to some spotlight hogging when they try to perform actions clearly suited better to other characters.

At this point the GM can only remind them retreat is an option, or that the thief should probably have first call on the lock picking. If they ignore that warning then they’ll eventually get the message after losing a couple more characters.

“I’m Always the Hero!”​

In many games the player characters are heroes, or at least people destined for some sort of greatness. But in a video game you are usually the chosen hero of the entire universe. You are the master elite agent at the top of their game. The problem is that in any group game not everyone can be the star all the time. So it can lead to a bit of spotlight hogging, with no one wanting to be the sidekick.

That is usually just something they can be trained out of with the GM shifting the spotlight to make sure everyone gets a fair crack. But being the greatest of all heroes all the time may mean the players won’t be satisfied with anything less. There are some good adventures to be had at low level, or to build up a great hero, and starting at the very top can miss all that. So, players ranking at the lower level of power should be reminded they have to build themselves up. Although there is nothing wrong with playing your game at a very high level if the group want big characters and bigger challenges.

Resistance Is Futile​

One of the things RPGs can do that video games can’t is let you go anywhere. If there is a door blocking your path, in an RPG you can pick the lock, cut a hole in it, even jump over it, where in a video game it remains unopened. If you get used to this concept it can lead to players thinking the opposite of the insurmountable odds problem. A locked door means they should give up and try another route or look for an access card. They start to think that like a video game there are places they are meant to go and meant not to go, and that they should recognise that and not fight it.

This might apply to any number of problems, where the GM is offering a challenge but the players just think that means they shouldn’t persevere. Worse, the players might think they need a key to open the door and will search for as long as it takes to find one, never imagining they might smash the door down.

This is a tough problem to get past as it means the GM needs to offer more options and clues to the players. If this doesn’t remind them they can try other things, then that opens up the following issue. So the GM should try and coax more options out of the players and make a point of rewarding more lateral thinking in their part.

“I’m Waiting for Options”​

While there may be several ways to defeat a problem, and the players know this, they might not be used to thinking of them for themselves. They will expect the GM to suggest several ways to defeat any obstacle or interact with an NPC rather than think of them themselves. This is easy to spot as the GM will notice that any clues or suggestions they make are always followed rather than taken as a helpful starting point.

The simple answer is to stop offering options and let the players think of them themselves. After all, RPGs are not multiple choice, they should be infinite choice. So the GM might also make a point of throwing the question back to the players and ask them what they will do about the encounter. The GM might offer clues if asked, but they should try and keep the focus on the players thinking of a way through rather than giving them clues.

Gaming in Every Medium​

The issues above aren’t a problem if that is how you all want to play. But they do put a lot of pressure on the GM to hand out all the answers and takes away the player’s agency to interact and influence the story. So it is worth taking a look at your group's gaming habits, particularly new players, and reminding them that although video game RPGs and tabletop RPG have a lot in common, they should be played differently.
 
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South by Southwest

Incorrigible Daydreamer
Does anyone want to DM? Or are they only doing it because no one else will?
This is my first time DMing and I absolutely love it. I loved watching the players romp around in the world I'd made and go through all sorts of debates and trial-and-error experiments to figure out the little puzzles I'd put in front of them.

So yeah, there's at least one there're at least two three guys on here who legit enjoy DMing; I'm having a blast.
 



overgeeked

B/X Known World
I honestly cannot enjoy D&D anymore as a player. It's very much "I'm the only one who can run the game correctly."

This conflicts with me thinking im also very bad at DMing despite being a forever DM since the start of 3rd ed.
I feel that. For me, it's less "I'm the only one who can run the game correctly" but more of a "I'm the only one willing to run the kinds of games I want to play in." No one else seems interested. Yet, when I announce a new campaign, I'm flooded with responses.
 


I honestly cannot enjoy D&D anymore as a player. It's very much "I'm the only one who can run the game correctly."

This conflicts with me thinking im also very bad at DMing despite being a forever DM since the start of 3rd ed.
DMing is tremendously difficult. DMing well, doubly so.
 



CleverNickName

Limit Break Dancing
Probably the worst thing about video game influence in D&D is that it has conditioned some players to think that the Dungeon Master should be treated like a video game console. "Eh, I don't like playing Storm King's Thunder on the Bob360, the controls are too sluggish and I get too big of a FPS drop whenever we go into town. I'd rather play it on the PlaySteven 4, because it doesn't make me track my arrows. I got rid of my Nathanial Wii because it didn't work the way I wanted it to."

It's easy to forget that the DM is also a friend at the table, and is also supposed to be having fun.
 

tetrasodium

Legend
Supporter
I feel that. For me, it's less "I'm the only one who can run the game correctly" but more of a "I'm the only one willing to run the kinds of games I want to play in." No one else seems interested. Yet, when I announce a new campaign, I'm flooded with responses.
This is one of the big areas that 5e changed. In the past we could point out a section in the dmg that provides guidance or structural framework rules to build off & have a discussion about those rather than Bob's skill as a gm
 

Musing Mage

Pondering D&D stuff
I feel that. For me, it's less "I'm the only one who can run the game correctly" but more of a "I'm the only one willing to run the kinds of games I want to play in." No one else seems interested. Yet, when I announce a new campaign, I'm flooded with responses.

Aye, there's the rub.

I have become quite a bit of a DM snob, most games I sit in as a player aren't quite up to what I want from a game. A part of that I think has to do with a level of video game influence though, because more and more I'm seeing table top games planned out to a tee... and many DMs don't know how to go off script.

In a game I was recently in, the DM had not only planned out his whole campaign, but refused to let any PCs die so that his story could come to fruition. One PC got disintegrated by a spell, and the DM says 'The Patron Goddess appears and grants you hit points to stave off death.' Like setting a Video Game to God mode...
 

Yes, one of my regular players has agreed to DM every other week to give me a chance to play. I have to suppress any thoughts of "you don't do this as well as I do" because at least they stepped up and are doing there best, and I am glad of that.
 

Mort

Legend
Supporter
Yes, one of my regular players has agreed to DM every other week to give me a chance to play. I have to suppress any thoughts of "you don't do this as well as I do" because at least they stepped up and are doing there best, and I am glad of that.

No one starts off as a great DM! I've found 2 of the best traits to becoming a good DM are 1) a willingness to do it 2) The desire to improve and learn both from your successes and your failures/mistakes.

The DMs I've seen who aren't good are usually the ones who think they're god's gift to DMing and refuse to change their behaviors/methods even with evidence that things aren't going well.
 

Probably the worst thing about video game influence in D&D is that it has conditioned some players to think that the Dungeon Master should be treated like a video game console. "Eh, I don't like playing Storm King's Thunder on the Bob360, the controls are too sluggish and I get too big of a FPS drop whenever we go into town. I'd rather play it on the PlaySteven 4, because it doesn't make me track my arrows. I got rid of my Nathanial Wii because it didn't work the way I wanted it to."

Wow...I've never encountered anything even remotely resembling that.

Is this something you've experienced (or witnessed) yourself, or is it just a "kids these days!" conjecture/rant?
 

Mort

Legend
Supporter
Wow...I've never encountered anything even remotely resembling that.

Is this something you've experienced (or witnessed) yourself, or is it just a "kids these days!" conjecture/rant?

Not @CleverNickName but, I have seen behavior pretty close to that - in my 8th grader's game.

1. Player threw a fit when my son wouldn't let him play an aarakocra (because he didn't want to have to deal with flyers). Kid went on for a half hour about how since it's an option in 5e it should be an option in my son's game; or worse

2. My son was DMing rise of Tiamat over zoom. We quickly noticed that one of the players OBVIOUSLY had the module open and was referencing it during play. When confronted, the 8th grader said something like "what, it's just like having a walkthrough open - what's wrong with that?"

So yeah.
 

CleverNickName

Limit Break Dancing
Wow...I've never encountered anything even remotely resembling that.

Is this something you've experienced (or witnessed) yourself, or is it just a "kids these days!" conjecture/rant?
It's mostly conjecture, from reading through this thread and others like it. There are a lot of heavy undertones about how a DM that doesn't "play right" should be replaced with one that performs better. Like he's just a referee, or a machine.

I have seen it in real-life, though. I've overheard players discussing how they wish Dungeon Master X would step down already so that Dungeon Master Y could take over, because they didn't like how DM-X handled things. It would have hurt DM-X's feelings to hear what they were saying.
 

Not @CleverNickName but, I have seen behavior pretty close to that - in my 8th grader's game.

1. Player threw a fit when my son wouldn't let him play an aarakocra (because he didn't want to have to deal with flyers). Kid went on for a half hour about how since it's an option in 5e it should be an option in my son's game; or worse

2. My son was DMing rise of Tiamat over zoom. We quickly noticed that one of the players OBVIOUSLY had the module open and was referencing it during play. When confronted, the 8th grader said something like "what, it's just like having a walkthrough open - what's wrong with that?"

So yeah.

Oh, sure, I've seen that kind of behavior too....from my friends (and probably myself) when we were 8th graders back in the early 80's. But I think that's just maturity, not the influence of video games. I mean, maybe the particular details (e.g. "like a walkthrough") comes from video games, but the attitude would be there regardless.

P.S. I'm not a big video gamer, and I try to keep my kids (<10 y.o.) away from them, but I'm wary of video-games-have-ruined-everything arguments. People used to say that about TV, and comic books, and rock and roll, and god knows what else.
 

No one starts off as a great DM! I've found 2 of the best traits to becoming a good DM are 1) a willingness to do it 2) The desire to improve and learn both from your successes and your failures/mistakes.

The DMs I've seen who aren't good are usually the ones who think they're god's gift to DMing and refuse to change their behaviors/methods even with evidence that things aren't going well.
Indeed. I have about forty more years experience!
 


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