D&D (2024) Are you going to buy the new 2024 D&D Core Books

[Parmandur]

I don't feel this to be substantially true.

Reasonable minds can differ, but many feel that isnis substantially true, hence it is the answer to your question.

 

[TheSword]

you already said you don't get it, this is more of that...

Cannot really speak for anyone but me, but all the big changes I was really looking forward to have been dropped. If I had to put my excitement for what is left on the scales to compare to my disappointment over what was lost, the disappointment wins out.

What were they?

 

[Whizbang Dustyboots]

Yeah I just don't think they can get away with not selling more copies whilst also trying to tell people "We're not taking anything away!". I don't think people will stand for it. I do think they may make it harder to buy new copies, but when someone tries to buy a 2014 PHB so they can play a Half-Elf or a Bard that's not all weird and messed-up (like I can almost guarantee the 2024 ones will be, given they've abandoned a key part of how they were reworking them), and is just told "No" by Beyond, that'll make a lot of people real mad.

Whereas with Volo's/Mordenkainen they got away with it because they essentially offered a "better value" product, and retained all the races (and possibly all the monsters? I forget), just losing Volo's questionable hot takes, and indeed most of the races got slightly upgraded overall.

Quite a lot got taken away with Volo's and Tome of Foes. There are ideals/flaws for each PC race, for instance, that were only in Tome of Foes and a lot of lore. That doesn't have to be value that you or I care about, but I'm confident there are people who do care.

And WotC put a bullet in the back of both skulls anyway. I suspect they're comfortable doing the same with the 2014 books and just riding out the storm of complaints for the few weeks after that. The conversation about the 2024 books will almost certainly drown out those complaints.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

There are ideals/flaws for each PC race, for instance, that were only in Tome of Foes and a lot of lore. That doesn't have to be value that you or I care about, but I'm confident there are people who do care.

I'm confident there are people who care too. But let's be real, taking away access to lore/FAITB stuff has never people significantly mad.

Taking away mechanics, like specific races, versions of classes, versions of subclasses, version of spells? That can make people really outstandingly mad, especially as WotC has sworn they're "not taking anything away".

I suspect they're comfortable doing the same with the 2014 books and just riding out the storm of complaints for the few weeks after that. The conversation about the 2024 books will almost certainly drown out those complaints.

Sure buddy, sure that'll definitely happen, just like how the OGL 1.1 absolutely blew over, no-one really cared about it and so on. Absolutely definitely 100% WotC going back on promises, removing new access to mechanics/classes/races people care about and doing for nakedly profit-driven reasons, is in no way going to backfire or cause them any consequences at all.

Some people forget so soon.

 

[mamba]

What were they?

Unified subclass progression, and getting rid of short rest recharge / the new Warlock are the biggest ones. Wildshape templates is another. Unified spell list I can take or leave, there are good points for both.

Anything else / what is left is just minor tweaks, some for the better, some for the worse, a net neutral.

 

[Nikosandros]

Quite a lot got taken away with Volo's and Tome of Foes. There are ideals/flaws for each PC race, for instance, that were only in Tome of Foes and a lot of lore. That doesn't have to be value that you or I care about, but I'm confident there are people who do care.

And WotC put a bullet in the back of both skulls anyway. I suspect they're comfortable doing the same with the 2014 books and just riding out the storm of complaints for the few weeks after that. The conversation about the 2024 books will almost certainly drown out those complaints.

Yes, I could be wrong, but I don't see WotC leaving the 2014 books available for sale on DDB.

 

[TheSword]

Unified subclass progression, and getting rid of short rest recharge / the new Warlock are the biggest ones. Wildshape templates is another. Unified spell list I can take or leave, there are good points for both.

Anything else / what is left is just minor tweaks, some for the better, some for the worse, a net neutral.

Fair enough.

Unified subclass progression was obviously going to invalidate a lot of previous products and books so I can totally see why the rowed that one back.

While Warlocks and Wild shape templates had massive pushbacks. Like you I liked these things and preferred the style if not the exact implementation in UA so was disappointed. Then again I’ve played a Druid once and a never played a Warlock so with 14 other classes to chose I’ll get over it.

I really don’t see what other choice WotC had given the reactions that were coming through.

Totally understand if it means more to you though.

 

[tetrasodium]

In other words, get the PDF first and read it. If you like what you see in the PDF, then you buy the book.

Those of us who interact with their local community at a FLGS by doing things like running d&d and other games can trivially ask an acquaintance if they can borrow/flip through their book or interact with a table actually using it.

 

[Ruin Explorer]

Yes, I could be wrong, but I don't see WotC leaving the 2014 books available for sale on DDB.

I mean, you guys keep believing that, but I think you're really underestimating how mad people will get if that happens. Wildly underestimating.

WotC is not a company with a lot of positive feeling towards it, and frankly do they really want to suicide bomb their own new edition release? Because that's what they'd be doing.

Whizbang thinks the conversation about 2024 will be louder. No. The conversation about "WotC took stuff away they promised they wouldn't!" will be much, much, much louder. Further, it will taint the entire launch and colour how people see 2024 - making an version where they "took stuff away". People will valiantly argue that the new versions are all better and so on, but it won't and it shouldn't matter, because it'd be yet another broken WotC promise. It will become the conversation about 2024.

Now, say, 3-5 years from now, I think things will be different. I think at that point, sure, they well, with several months warning, sunset the 2014 PHB/DMG/MM and make them no longer available. But to do that on launch, after promising they wouldn't take stuff away? Yeah, that'd be suicidal. Not that WotC hasn't been that dumb - OGL 1.1 was that dumb - but it would definitely prove they learned absolutely nothing lol.

Remember too, that the conversation about D&D is no longer restricted to D&D fans or TT RPG fans. Especially not after BG3's massive success. It's gone into gamer discussion in general. If WotC tries to pull material from sale entirely with 2024, that's going to be clickbait headlines on every videogame-oriented site (with accurate reporting only on Kotaku, by Linda Codega), and the backlash will be really significant and ongoing, because again gamers HATE it when something mechanical is taken away from them.

 

[jerryrice4949]

Not that this poll is representative but if it was it would be good news for WoTC. Seems most will buy it. I suspect many of the 24% who don’t plan to, never intended to regardless and haven’t been playing 5E so they aren’t really a loss.