D&D (2024) Are you going to buy the new 2024 D&D Core Books

Do you plan on getting the new D&D core books in 2024?


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Yeah sorry for the hyperbole causing confusion, we're talking about the same thing. But you can share with what, three campaigns? Unless they increased it. And you have to find someone to share the product with you - and it's precarious, because if they cancel their sub or let it lapse or decide to de-share you so they can help someone else, it's over. (It literally just happened to me re: some material, but that's a whole other discussion.)

I just think that people are really underestimating how annoyed people are going to be if the PHB 2014 stops being available on Beyond day and date of PHB 2024 release or soon thereafter.

I could be wrong, but historically, I really don't think I am. I think there's always a temptation to say people don't care/won't care but recent events show that... is not true. If they were like, just eliminating half-orcs, I think they'd be fine - as I've said before, most people who want to play half-orcs, want to play orcs, in my experience (not everyone, I don't need a rando anecdote about how one of y'all did thank you very much!). Whereas with Half-Elves, I cannot a think of a single character where the person actually wanted to play an Elf or a Human. And they're incredibly popular. Last I checked, both the third most popular overall, and more popular than, for example, both gnomes and halflings together - like you literally get rid of access to both of those, and cause less disruption! And imagine how mad people would be if you did that!

I think if they pull it in a few years, they'll probably be fine, but same year as release or the year after? Nah.
You can share with 5 campaigns of up to 12 players in each campaign currently.

You may very well be right about how people will respond to 2014 stuff being harder to use going forward. I've largely stopped guessing what people's tolerance for corporate decision making is at this point. People get upset over things that don't register to me and things I don't like sometimes gets met with apathy from most people. I guess we'll see.
 

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Yeah sorry for the hyperbole causing confusion, we're talking about the same thing. But you can share with what, three campaigns? Unless they increased it. And you have to find someone to share the product with you - and it's precarious, because if they cancel their sub or let it lapse or decide to de-share you so they can help someone else, it's over. (It literally just happened to me re: some material, but that's a whole other discussion.)

I just think that people are really underestimating how annoyed people are going to be if the PHB 2014 stops being available on Beyond day and date of PHB 2024 release or soon thereafter.

I could be wrong, but historically, I really don't think I am. I think there's always a temptation to say people don't care/won't care but recent events show that... is not true. If they were like, just eliminating half-orcs, I think they'd be fine - as I've said before, most people who want to play half-orcs, want to play orcs, in my experience (not everyone, I don't need a rando anecdote about how one of y'all did thank you very much!). Whereas with Half-Elves, I cannot a think of a single character where the person actually wanted to play an Elf or a Human. And they're incredibly popular. Last I checked, both the third most popular overall, and more popular than, for example, both gnomes and halflings together - like you literally get rid of access to both of those, and cause less disruption! And imagine how mad people would be if you did that!

I think if they pull it in a few years, they'll probably be fine, but same year as release or the year after? Nah.
If a person likes the new thing, they are I think more inclined to the opinion that other people won't care about the old thing.
 

You seem to think WotC will delete from existence the third most popular race in D&D, one which many popular podcast characters are (probably an even higher proportion, in fact), and there will just be consequences, and I think you're thinking like the OGL 1.1 guys.
While we have yet to see the final 2024 rules . . . I'll bet you 100 gold pieces that you will be able to make a "half-elf" with the new rules. Or rather, a character with mixed human and elven ancestry. It probably won't be called a "half-elf" and the game rules will likely be different . . . but it will be there. Same with the half-orc, although that is less popular a choice.

I'm fully expecting a sidebar talking about the issue with "half" races, specifically calling out the legacy PC options of half-elf and half-orc and guiding players on how to realize those archetypes with the new rules.

Will this change incite riots, cost WotC sales, and destroy D&D as we know it? Nope. It will be fine. Will folks grumble on the internet over the change? Of course, that's fandom!
 

While we have yet to see the final 2024 rules . . . I'll bet you 100 gold pieces that you will be able to make a "half-elf" with the new rules. Or rather, a character with mixed human and elven ancestry. It probably won't be called a "half-elf" and the game rules will likely be different . . . but it will be there. Same with the half-orc, although that is less popular a choice.

I'm fully expecting a sidebar talking about the issue with "half" races, specifically calling out the legacy PC options of half-elf and half-orc and guiding players on how to realize those archetypes with the new rules.

Will this change incite riots, cost WotC sales, and destroy D&D as we know it? Nope. It will be fine. Will folks grumble on the internet over the change? Of course, that's fandom!
We'll see how they handle it.

Where I agree is that there are ways they can handle it safely. I think we even broadly agree on what way that is:

A) Have a system in-place, in the PHB, for mixed species, which gives them a mixture of the abilities of their parents.

B) Specifically call out Half-Elves, hopefully without ridiculous beating-about-the-bush, name-wise, and explain how to make them.

C) Have the mixed species rules not result in something which obviously inferior, mechanically, to humans and elves (it's probably fine if it's arguably superior).

If they do all of that, and do it reasonably well, I think they'll be okay on that particular point. I think if they ban purchases of 2014 instantly when 2024 comes out, they will still face fierce backlash, because there will be people who wanted the classes etc. from 2014 (or at least thought they did, it makes no difference). My feeling is that's really 50/50 whether WotC actually understands this, given their incredible number of slip-ups, most of them trivially avoidable, over the last few years.

On the other hand, 67% of people in the thread discussing Half-Elves disagree with you and think WotC won't do that (how did you vote?). They apparently think WotC will just go ahead with the extant "you are only one race really" hybrid rules. If they're right, absolutely this will cause lost sales and incite "riots" in the online sense. Destroy D&D as we know it? No-one has suggested that, but it'll cause a schism. Multiple schisms probably, and give a big boost to any 5E alternative using a less obnoxious/racist system - which is probably all of them (certainly A5E).

I mean, this is ironically a big test of how well WotC understands their actual playerbase, including their most devoted players.

Anyone who knows the broader D&D community know that very special snowflake (I say that with love, having played similar on occasion), unusual-parentage mixed characters are extremely common and popular with a lot of D&D players, especially those who create or pay for fan art of their characters and so on. This has always annoyed the most extreme traditionalists (who basically think everyone should be a Human Fighter or Elf Wizard anyway, or at the most extreme, perhaps a Dwarf Cleric or Halfling Thief), but the half-dragon-half-demon-half-elemental-half-cat people have existed since at least 2E (I can't say further back because the internet didn't exist). WotC, if they understood their audience in the least, should absolutely be embracing these people. They're precisely the sort of people who are highly invested in D&D, both mentally and often financially (you know someone who is willing to drop $200 on a character portrait is buying almost every book that comes out).

But the first thing we saw in 1D&D/2024 was a big middle-finger from WotC pointed exactly at those people (and pretty much everyone on the planet of mixed heritage), with their "Nah just pick one race" approach. How many people approved that? How many people said "Yeah that seems like a smart idea!", because I'm guess it was at least a couple of handfuls, and if WotC was remotely in-touch, that couldn't happen.

You think that, despite all WotC's screw-ups, they will definitely get this right. You might be correct, but you'll well-advised in betting low values of fictional money, not really money, because I don't think the odds are that great. Apparently nobody else does either given the voting in the linked thread (I actually voted that they will have a crunchier set of options, but I'm a bit of an optimist, I guess).
 

Enworld may be an outlier, but if anywhere near 40% of active 5e players purchase the 2024 core next year, that would make it an absolute smash hit. I'm of the belief that 2024 is about maintaining the general yearly sales numbers from the past 8 years rather than an attempt to get current players to immediately switch.
 

if anywhere near 40% of active 5e players purchase the 2024 core next year
It seems extremely unlikely that that percentage of players will purchase the 2024 core in 2024, I would suggest, based on the sales of previous updates, like 3.5E.

That's a really high percentage of people playing a TT RPG to pick up even a new edition, let alone an update that's been repeatedly downplayed in importance by WotC (a position it would be very hard to backpedal out of at this point).
I'm of the belief that 2024 is about maintaining the general yearly sales numbers from the past 8 years rather than an attempt to get current players to immediately switch.
Indeed, that seems more plausible. A much smaller percentage, and one that probably never hits 100% of the sales of 5E 2014, but that people do keep buying, year-on-year.
 

I just want D&D (and TTRPGS in general) to maintain its popularity and keep a stable base while slowly working its way deeper and deeper into the zeitgeist. Because I honestly feel that TTRPGs make the world a better place. So I will never root against the success of D&D or any other TTRPG.

I see it all the time with the students in D&D Club. Kids get socialized, especially kids who struggle in that way. They exercise their imagination. They learn communication skills. They get better at looking at problems creatively, and thinking about things from different perspectives. They write more. Those who choose to DM build leadership skills, and everyone learns to work together in groups. Heck, they even improve their functional math. And they have fun. Young folks these days tend to be so anxious and serious all the time.

TTRPGs should be an essential part of education.
 

That's a no from me. WOTCs recent books and attitude/behavior this year have put me off them moving forward. I do have A5E and TotV if I want to scratch the 5e style itch in the future but my group has migrated to DCC and other games for the foreseeable future.
 

That's a no from me. WOTCs recent books and attitude/behavior this year have put me off them moving forward. I do have A5E and TotV if I want to scratch the 5e style itch in the future but my group has migrated to DCC and other games for the foreseeable future.
Good deal. Love DCC!
 

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