Astral Fire
- Thread starter Aldarc
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Yes, a lot of the spell enhancers are obviously realted to the earlier magical traditions.
As far as ability requirements go I thoguht it was pretty obvious - in a game where most casters can be exceedingly competent focusing on two abilities, these feats provide an incentive to diversify. The abilities needed are frequently "out of class" for that very reason.
As far as ability requirements go I thoguht it was pretty obvious - in a game where most casters can be exceedingly competent focusing on two abilities, these feats provide an incentive to diversify. The abilities needed are frequently "out of class" for that very reason.
Majoru Oakheart
Adventurer
Yeah, I believe this is the idea. Strictly speaking the most power in any class is gained by having almost no points in any stat except your primary. You get minor benefits from a secondary stat, but it can safely stay around 14 with no problem.Trevelyan said:
On the other hand, if you want to do something kind of different, like up your Dex in order to get more benefit out of Wand of Accuracy, you lose a little bit of power, which you can make up with a feat that has dex as a prerequisite. Meanwhile, the wizard who maxed his Int can't get an equal power boost.
Aldarc said:
the cool thing is you only need a dex and cha of 11 to pick these up. you will hit 13 when you reach epic levels.
but still seems silly to have us take points off things we care about. for example, I am a fan of the 16,16,12,12,10,8 layout for my dwarven cleric. guess what- dex and int are the 10 and 8. I have to have an odd stat just to buy that feat- annoying.
Szatany
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"Options, not restrictions." - anyone remebers that? My @ss.Cadfan said:
If they really needed to "encourage" people to invest in dump stats, they should've done it in a less blunt manner. Astral Fire could read: Requires Con 13, but if you also have Dex 13, this and this happens.
Overall, i'm pisseed
Majoru Oakheart
Adventurer
Really?Szatany said:
Burning Blizzard: Wizards who use Orbs and therefore have Int and Wis
Dark Fury: Con and Wis are both secondary stats for Wizards, this option is good for someone who uses both staff and orb.
Expanded Spellbook: Wis is again useful for Orb wizards
Raging Storm: Dex/Con is Wand/Staff wizards
Then all of the "quick" feats are based off of dex, including the light blade feats which are good for rogues. All of the armor feats are designed for those with high strength and con, or tanks.
ObsidianCrane
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Szatany said:
Your ass is kind of mule like me thinks. I mean how dare they have any restrictions them crass people... oh wait the rules are full of them. I mean that is the point to rules.
Or do you seriously expect me to believe that you think "no restrictions" means there should be no prerequisite column for Feats at all, and continuing on to the logical extreme that Powers should not be tied to a stat or a class?
I mean that would really be "no restrictions" none of that pesky "Melee Weapon" requirement in a power, no specified stat - you just pick the one you want to use and away you go. Oh and you might as well have all the Skills as Trained - I mean we wouldn't want to restrict your choice of trained skills.
Oh wait I'm being daft now.
The prerequisite on the power damage boosting feats are not the problem people are trying to paint them as, there are advantages to taking a little here and there from a range of stats. 14 Dex is +2 Initiative for example, 14 Cha means you don't need Wis for Will saves, or for Clerics that some of the powers work a little better.
You will find over time that having 1 really strong stat followed by a selection of 13-14 stats is actually beneficial. Aim most powers off the stronger stat and then get the benefits of having those +2s around.
Consider this array;
16 14 13 13 10 10
Put the 16 in your key attribute, the 14 in your secondary and the 13's in your tertiary attributes, and the 10's in your "dump stats"
Humans get 18 in their key attribute, which is great for any class that can use Astral Fire.
Dragonborn 18 in Str or Cha (Great for Paladins with Astral Fire)
Dwarves 18 in Con or Wis (Great for Clerics with Astral Fire)
Eladrin 18 in Dex or Int (Great for Wizards with Astral Fire)
Elves 18 in Dex or Wis (Great for Clerics with Astral Fire)
Half-Elves 18 in Con or Cha (great for Warlocks with Astral Fire...)
Halflings 18 in Dex or Cha (Great for Paladins with Astral Fire...)
Oh wait it was painfully simple to get 2 13 stats... so much for it being an issue.
With 4 stats of 13+ its pretty easy to make sure Con, Wis, Int and Dex all end at 13 by 4th level - giving easy access to all the feats like Astral Fire.
Its an option you have, you don't have to min max your stats, you are not an uber character of doom in a solo cRPG, you are part of a group - the other players should have your back.
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Szatany
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Exactly, how dare they promise to alleviate restrictions only to put another ones in the place. Why would I want such a trade off. They specifically said that they are changing the -4 penalty for non-proficiency weapons to bonuses because they wanted to REWARD choices instead of punishing other choices. But that's exactly what they are doing with the feat system. "Didn't take 13 in score you have no real need for? Too bad for youCailte said:
". Maybe I would be less disappointed if they actually wrote in Abilities section that before you choose your abiltiies you should take a really good look at the feats. No other part of the game, IIRC, demands a specific ability score - powers, weapons, etc, are way more flexible that this.I guess my point is this: What they did isn't really a bad thing by itself, but it also limits character building blocks by a fair amount. Since there are more elegant ways of encouraging diverse characters (ability-score-wise), forgive me for not being overtly happy with their choice of approach.
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