His very plan and the way he carried it out is "mad." He's had decades to figure things out and settle on a plan that doesn't work, as opposed to others that would. The world has gone from 3 billion in 1960 to 7 billion in 2011. It more than doubled in just 51 years. Halving the population doesn't do much to save resources since the populations will replace themselves very quickly. His plan is insane. His single minded pursuit of it, to the point of murdering what he loved most is also kinda crazy.Agreed. He’s not portrayed as mad, or called “the mad Titan”. I don’t know the comics, but the movie does not display an irrational protagonist (and he is this movie’s protagonist).
Avengers: The Dustbin ChroniclesSo any speculation on the Avengers 4 title? Word is that it has been kept under wraps as it is too spoilery.
I guess that means it was a spoiler for the end of Avengers: Infinity War. I wonder if it will be something along the lines of Avengers Reassembled or Avengers: Heroes Return?
I was also thinking about Avengers Forever, as that limited series involved time travel, but it's not too spoilery.
I still don't. The film establishes that he is willing to do something extreme. The film does not establish that this is, in fact, madness.Great! So now we agree that Thanos as presents in the film is completely mad
That would be because he is the antagonist, not a protagonist. He is an antagonist with a lot of screen time, but an antagonist regardless.That’s why he fails so completely as a protagonist and why the film can’t stand on its own.
I think you'll have to make more clear what you classify as a list of events, and what you classify as a story, if you want folks to accept that assertion.The film fails because it’s nothing more than a series of, then this thing happened. It’s not a story, it’s a list.
Bold added by me.Conversely, when the numbers of a target population have become too great to be sustained by the food or territory available, then predators can be introduced, or a human-mediated cull can be done.
I suppose that's one interpretation. But, it is easily argued that every character with a spoken line in the movie wants one or more things. Each of the Avengers (and various associated people) collectively and individually want to stop half the universe from being killed, for example. And, in a typical story in Western heroic fiction, the protagonist is reacitve, rather than proactive. The antagonist creates the basic conflict and many of the obstacles. Without the antagonist, there is usually no story, because the protagonist is not challeneged.a story is about a character who wants something and has to overcome one or many obstacles to achieve it by making choices that affect the outcome. Thanos wants something and faces obstacles (driving the plot), but his choices are rendered meaningless due to his madness.
Um, humans often don't have that capabilty. Rapa Nui (Easter Island) is a fine example - humans did to that island pretty much exactly what Thanos' people did to their homeworld - they consumed the resources until the island could no longer support them. The devastated the ecosystem. And they all died.Second, animals need to be culled because they don’t have the human capability of reason to find solutions to the problems facing them.
No rational being (to our knowledge) has had access to the power implied by the Infinity Stones. It is perhaps better to note that one's ability to solve problems is limited by, among other things, one's ability to impact reality. Thanos' ablity to impact reality... was very large.Rational beings understand you can’t snap your fingers and make everything happy ever after.
Yep. In fact, Thanos says explicitly that after doing this, he's intending to retire to some now-bucolic world - probably the one Gamora comes from. And we see him there ate the end of it!Umm, the culling model doesn't work in this case because you never just cull once. You have to cull repeatedly, over time, every time that the population needs to be controlled. There's no sense that Thanos is going to wipe out half the universe every fifty years or so just to make sure that things stay in balance.
I dunno. "I'm going to wipe out half the population of the universe to save it" isn't exactly the most rational of ideas. Do we really need to be explicitly told that Thanos isn't running on all eight cylinders? Then again, apparently so since people have actually argued that this idea might actually have any merit.Yep. In fact, Thanos says explicitly that after doing this, he's intending to retire to some now-bucolic world - probably the one Gamora comes from. And we see him there ate the end of it!
Given the broad audience that doesn't necessarily know about population growth rates, or what the "culling model" is, the movie *really* could have done with pointing out that a single culling won't work. Even better to show Thanos rejecting that logical point. That would have actually made it clear that Thanos is "mad" rather than just an extremist.
That's because the general idea of reducing a population in order to save them (or their environment) _is_ rational, as has already been pointed out in this thread. It's the over-generalization and scope that turns it into madness.I dunno. "I'm going to wipe out half the population of the universe to save it" isn't exactly the most rational of ideas. Do we really need to be explicitly told that Thanos isn't running on all eight cylinders? Then again, apparently so since people have actually argued that this idea might actually have any merit.