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Avenger's Infinity War *Spoiler* Discussion

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
I wonder what the next film’s title will be. “Avengers Assemble” seems appropriate but almost too optimistic given the current state of things.

I think that’s what the first Avengers film was called here in the UK. To avoid confusion with the Avengers stuff in the 60s.

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There was a more recent "Avengers" movie based on that show. Don't remember much except for the thousands of mechanical killer bees.
 


Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
So it’s the original 6 Avengers plus War Machine and Rocket, and possibly Ant-Man and Wasp (although I have a feeling their post credit scene may involve one of them turning to dust). And certainly Captain Marvel, although exactly how she fits into it is a bit unclear. Supposedly, her film takes place years ago in the MCU. So perhaps she’ll arrive in the present day MCU somehow? Or she’ll simply be older and come out of retirement. We’ll see.

I wonder what the next film’s title will be. “Avengers Assemble” seems appropriate but almost too optimistic given the current state of things.

Avengers Assemble would be a truely awesome name for the last movie, optimism may be a good thing since we would assume that the finale will be the last hurrah that defeats Thanos, restores the losses and launches the future MCU, Maybe Avengers Re-Assembled if they need an alternative :)

2, I'm assuming that Captain Marvel comes back from deep space (she can survive in space and fly at light speed) and that she hasn't aged much due to her cosmic powers

3. Valkyrie is whereabouts unknown and Pepper could don the Rescue Armour to come and find Tony.

I wonder why everybody doesn’t have Mjolnir+ level artifacts. According to giant Tyrion, it only takes a few minutes and one guy to make one when the forge is running.

because even giant dwarfs are greedy bustards who don't turn on the dying star forge for anyone except Asgardian royalty. Besides I don't think Uru metal is particularly abundant or easy to forge (hence the need for afore mentioned dying star channeled through a Thunder gods pectoral muscles)
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
because even giant dwarfs are greedy bustards who don't turn on the dying star forge for anyone except Asgardian royalty. Besides I don't think Uru metal is particularly abundant or easy to forge (hence the need for afore mentioned dying star channeled through a Thunder gods pectoral muscles)

Do they only work when Thor turns up?

I thought the implication was that there were loads of giant dwarves forging stuff and an active star, but Thanos killed them all last week and turned off the forge.

They didn’t all just hang around for millennia waiting for Thor did they?
 

Maxperson

Morkus from Orkus
At the end of Star Wars the Death Star is destroyed - how is that a really good strategic position for the Empire?

Part one ended with Qui-gon dead and the Sith master elected as leader of the Republic. By part 4, things were beginning to turn around.
 

Tonguez

A suffusion of yellow
Do they only work when Thor turns up?

I thought the implication was that there were loads of giant dwarves forging stuff and an active star, but Thanos killed them all last week and turned off the forge.

They didn’t all just hang around for millennia waiting for Thor did they?

while the others dwarfs were workers (was it 300?) I took the scene to mean that only Eitri was able to design the weapons that could contain the enchantments - I'm basing that on three lines
Eitri - I made what he wanted: a device capable of harnessing the power of the stones
Thanos (via Eitri)- 'Your life is yours', But Your hands are mine alone." and
Thor - "Every weapon you've ever designed, it's all inside your head"

Theres also the deleted scene from the Trailer which shows Thor first raising Stormbreaker amidst a whole lot of lightning which I suspect was the scene where Thor actively enchants the weapon with his powers (just as Odin enchanted Mjolnir before him)

So Yes my assumption is that while Dwarfs are great craftsmen, it is Eitri alone who had the ability to design weapons able to harness the enchantments/powers of Others be it the Odinforce, Thors power or the Infinity Stones
 
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OB1

Jedi Master
Who sympathizes with Darth Vader? Vader was a monster by the end of Empire. He was not sympathetic at all. :uhoh: I might see it by the end of Jedi, when Vader is somewhat redeemed, but, at the end of ESB? He's a murdering psychopath with zero redeeming qualities.

I didn't say sympathize, I said empathize. I agree with you 100% on Vader, and don't believe that his actions redeem him at all at the end of Jedi. He made one right choice, to save his son's life, but that doesn't make up for the monster he was.

Empathizing with monsters in works of art only means that you see the real human emotions and desires that led them to the choices they make so as to recognize the danger of the same emotions and desires within yourself or from those around you to do great harm.
 

Hussar

Legend
Yes, but, even empathize? With Vader at the end of ESB? We know virtually nothing about him other than he's a murdering psychopath who happens to share DNA with Luke Skywalker. Even his motivations are clearly self serving - "Join me and together we will rule the galaxy" Mwahahahaha! This is the same guy that just spent a good chunk of the movie torturing Han Solo for fun "they didn't ask any questions!".

I really don't think Darth Vader is a good example here.
 

MarkB

Legend
I wonder what the next film’s title will be. “Avengers Assemble” seems appropriate but almost too optimistic given the current state of things.

"Avengers - Some Assembly Required"

I wonder why everybody doesn’t have Mjolnir+ level artifacts. According to giant Tyrion, it only takes a few minutes and one guy to make one when the forge is running.

According to Odin in Thor: Ragnarok, Mjolnir was never a source of power for Thor - it merely channeled his innate powers.
 


Mustrum_Ridcully

Adventurer
I wonder why everybody doesn’t have Mjolnir+ level artifacts. According to giant Tyrion, it only takes a few minutes and one guy to make one when the forge is running.
It seems the problem is that most simply cannot wield such items, so it's really more something for the... cosmic players on the level of Thanos and Thor, and they probably have a weapon like that already.
 

Istbor

Dances with Gnolls
It seems the problem is that most simply cannot wield such items, so it's really more something for the... cosmic players on the level of Thanos and Thor, and they probably have a weapon like that already.

It also seemed like finding the place was difficult, as Rocket thought the place was a Myth. Making it seem like only some are aware of how to get there in the first place.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
Think about what happens if, overnight, 150 million Americans just turn to dust.
Suddenly, there's job openings across the board. With fewer people for every occupation, everyone has their pick of employment and has an instant choice. They can ask for a higher salary and get it, because the demand is there.

No. It isn't that simple. I mean, realistically...

First, all your cities burn down. Because half of all the aircraft in the air crash - some of them into cities. We've seen what happens when planes meet skyscrapers. And the roads are clogged with half the cars crashed into the other half. So the first responders (now only half as many) can't get anywhere. And the cities burn.

In general, you now have loads of infrastructure, but only half the people to operate it and maintain it. Power and water systems fail. You probably have some ecological disasters as nuclear plants melt down, refineries blow up, offshore drill rigs are undermanned and not capped off. There are only half the people you expect watching over the nuclear and chemical weapon arsenals in the world.... It gets ugly, for a while.

There's probably massive economic depression. There's not enough people to make the world as we know it function. It will take some time to adjust.

But, we don'e have time. And this is why Thanos is not the Mad Titan. He is the Dumb-as-a-Rock Titan. More on that in a bit.


The bureaucracy is upended and there's not enough time to bother with the rules and regulations of a proper election. Anyone can get elected. This shakes the two party system.

And that's just one country. Half the world's dictators are gone. Half the people in charge of oppressing nations. Half the warlords. Half the drug barons.

Yeah. The other half the warlords and barons are still there, and there's not enough people to run proper elections... You don't see a problem growing there? People are *SCARED AS HECK* because *HALF OF EVERYONE THEY KNOW JUST TURNED TO ASH!* This is not what we call a recipe for new and enlightened political systems.

His plan is insane. He is the Mad Titan. But it's also just crazy enough to work...

Ultimately, no it won't. Someone needs to teach Thanos some math.

If the Universe is using up its resources too fast, and you cut the population in half, you really only double the time until we use up those resources. It slows down the problem, but does not stop it.

But, much more importantly, the population won't stay halved!. Specifically, even at very modest rates of growth (like, under 1% growth per year), your population still doubles in less than a century. All this work, fighting, pain, misery and loss, and we will be back exactly where we were in less than a hundred years.

This bugs me, because as Thanos monologues to Dr. Strange about the whole thing, Doc asks him, "And then what?" and Thanos says he'll retire. And I was just waiting for Doc to bust out that Thanos was a dunderhead, because people keep frelling having babies, and unless he's setting himself to cut the population in half every century or so, forever, there's no point to what he's doing at all!

But, no, they missed that opportunity.
 

Hussar

Legend
There’s an even nastier problem as well. With half the population gone, you just massively cut the gene pool, resulting in all sorts of nasty stuff down the line.

And when we cut half the populations, where is the cutoff line? Technological races? How advanced? After all, humans conquered the planet with stone axes. And probably did some spectacularly bad things to the ecosphere.

So is it anything with intelligence? Or even just potential intelligence?

In any case it’s a bloody stupid plan.
 

Umbran

Mod Squad
Staff member
There’s an even nastier problem as well. With half the population gone, you just massively cut the gene pool, resulting in all sorts of nasty stuff down the line.

On that score, I think it is okay. Cutting a gene pool in half is dangerous when the population is already small. But going from a gene pool of 7+ billion, to 3.5 billion? YOu still hae plenty of the genes you need. The chances of completely losing something important, or forcing inbreeding with a population that's still that large isn't significant.
 



Hussar

Legend
He did state that it was randomly chosen.

But, that's the thing about randomness. Sure, you might get an even distribution, but, there's no guarantee of that. It's equally possible that you get group in random choices, meaning that you might wind up wiping out everyone with any medical training, for example, simply through random chance.

It really is a mad idea.
 

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