Avenger's Infinity War *Spoiler* Discussion

[Kramodlog]

I'm surprised no one remembers Doctor Stranger saying he would let Iron Man and Spider-Man die to save the time stone. The writers and directors really made it clear that Strange ment it and it was foreshawoding.

The reality Doctor Strange saw where the Avengers win is a reality were Thanos gets all the stones and kills randomly half the universe's population, including that one reality where Spider-Man is randomly killed. The death of Spider-Man motivates Iron Man to do all that is possible to revive Peter Parker. That means get the Infinity Gauntlet and revive everyone Thanos has killed, and that also means Iron Man sacrificing himself in the process (probably as tribute to the soul stone as Tony Stark really loves himself and writers won't let him kill Pepper, unless Steve Rogers is the one who agrees to die because Tony loves him and he understands sacrifice must be made to bring back everyone and is a throwback to what was discussed with Vision in this film).

With this scenario what Doctor Strange said about letting Stark and Parker die really comes to pass. He let Spider-Man and Tony Stark die to get the time stone back.

As for Steve Rogers and Thor, they probably also die in the next Avengers film. Althought I would bet Thor has more chances of surviving. Their deaths, and Iron Man's, will mean more once the Gauntlet is dismantled and a page will be turned in the MCU.

I do not mind knowing all of this or knowing that a lot of people were going to die in this film or knowing they were gonna come back to life. I was curious to see how they would do it, who they would chose and how far they would go. I wasn't disappointed.

 

[Eltab]

Thanos basically just removes enough people so there is no need to fight over resources.

Based on a discussion in another thread (which admittedly is of no help if the people in charge of Avengers don't read it), Thanos could move mineral-rich asteroids into orbits and/or positions where they would be easy to reach. Vast expenditure of energy necessary, but vast resources available. The hard part: how much resources does each person "need"?

 

[Ryujin]

yeah the Thanos loves Gamora thing wasn't very well established, and even the "saving the baby gamora" scene didn't show Thanos being merciful as much as him taking another child soldier on a whim. The story needed something more to show that Thanos actually cared for Gamora so that his choice to sacrifice her was tearing at his Soul instead of just another resource transaction.

A lot of that going on, while there were some nice character moments, they didn't really achieve the deep emotional feels that they should have.

I liked it a lot but the movie was a series of interelated vignettes and the ending while suprising was more surreal than emotional

-I liked the return of Red Skull
-DUnno what was up with Hulk
-and Star Lord losing it and attacking Thanos while the others were mid-assualt was just dumb

The Thanos loves Gamora thing was meant to be set up through the previous two Guardians movies with many comments about how she was his favourite, while Nebula was constantly beaten-down. (Yeah, not sure it was telegraphed very well either.) They tried to build the Starlord-Gamora relationship. To be fair, Starlord has some control issues anyway.

The Hulk thing is fear. Either the Hulk persona is afraid of Thanos or Banner is now just plain afraid, instead of "angry all the time", meaning that he can't just whistle up Hulk whenever he wants.

 

[OB1]

Which proves that you are wrong about the population automatically grows to the point of overpopulation in a short time.

So then what is Thanos worried about?

Also, I never said populations grow to overpopulation, I said they grow to the size of the resources available.

 

[Jester David]

I'm back and forth on Star Lord. I sort of think it was set up in his reaction to Ego killing his mom (blasting Ego instantly without thought), but where that scene was earned through two movies, I'm not so sure I buy the emotional connection between Star Lord and Gamora.

Starlord had fallen pretty hard for Gamora in Guardians 2. Their relationship was a big part of that film. I accepted his anger without hesitation.
Her having feelings for him less so. I'm uncertain if she really loved him or was just telling him what he wanted to hear.

Also, I never said populations grow to overpopulation, I said they grow to the size of the resources available.

Human history is quite full of examples of civilisations that exhausted their resources and collapsed.

 

[OB1]

Human history is quite full of examples of civilisations that exhausted their resources and collapsed.

I’d ask you to name one, but even if you could I’d just counter that exhausting resources wasn’t what led to collapse but rather inability to adapt and innovate in the face of a changing environment or circumstance.

 

[Jester David]

I’d ask you to name one, but even if you could I’d just counter that exhausting resources wasn’t what led to collapse but rather inability to adapt and innovate in the face of a changing environment or circumstance.

Look up the history of Easter Island. That’s the big one.
Otherwise, humans just tend to move on and abandon lands where we’ve depleted all the resources. They adapt by leaving rather than innovating.

 

[megamania]

Here's a thought completely unmentioned.

Hawkeye.

Half the universe's population is gone. Includes his wife and children. Game On.

Just a thought.

 

[billd91]

yeah the Thanos loves Gamora thing wasn't very well established, and even the "saving the baby gamora" scene didn't show Thanos being merciful as much as him taking another child soldier on a whim. The story needed something more to show that Thanos actually cared for Gamora so that his choice to sacrifice her was tearing at his Soul instead of just another resource transaction.

Keep in mind that the majority of our view of Gamora's and Thanos's relationship has been based on Gamora's perspective - the playing off of rivalries between her and Nebula, the manipulation, the anger and betrayal. We know about those from her. I'm sure Thanos has a completely different take on them, certainly one colored by him being the Mad Titan and his generally effed up values, but one that he'd probably characterize as love. All I really needed was the look on his face before sacrificing Gamora to know what his feelings for her were and that they would qualify to get him the stone (and possibly the complication of a soul stone toting around Gamora's soul...).

A lot of that going on, while there were some nice character moments, they didn't really achieve the deep emotional feels that they should have.

Depends on your moment. The moments between Wanda and Vision were, I thought, really well done.

-and Star Lord losing it and attacking Thanos while the others were mid-assualt was just dumb

We should already know by now that Peter Quill isn't the sharpest knife in the drawer. He isn't stupid, but he's not exactly cold and calculating. He's an emotional and impulsive. And unlike OB1, I can see that they've been building an emotional connection between him and Gamora since GotG1 - particularly on Peter's part.

 

[billd91]

Here's a thought completely unmentioned.

Hawkeye.

Half the universe's population is gone. Includes his wife and children. Game On.

Just a thought.

Yeah, I think there's a good chance he will have lost at least one. That would motivate him to break the house arrest. Infinity War 2 - we know we've got Thor, Cap, Iron Man, Hulk, Widow, and Rocket.

We know Captain Marvel is on her way, Hawkeye's an easy activation. Depending on Ant-Man and Wasp, they could make an appearance too.
Adam Warlock is a possibility too considering we saw him being created in the stinger at the end of GotG2.

Long shot - so I don't think it's terribly likely - Shuri repairs the Vision and he's reactivated.
I'd love to see it, they foreshadowed her potential to do it. It's just a question of will they do it?