The_Universe
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Hyper-protected baby room can and should be in Sylvanus.
Babies and Wet-Nurses: A Conversation
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Queen_Dopplepopolis
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Yep... baby room Sylvanus... Circle's future HQ MYSTERY!!! *cue sting music*The_Universe said:
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Archon
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"I am glad that you trust the decision of the majority Justice, but that is not what this is. What is done with my child is my choice. I understand it will effect us all, but we have all made decisions that have involved more then just ourselves."
Archon's eyes narrow as if thinking,
"What is *really* bothering you Justice? Like you said yourself, everyone else seems to be pretty calm about my decision. Do you not trust my Judgement? Or do you think i would choose the child before the Circle or even the Cause? You would be right to think that Justice."
And then with complete sincerity,
"Because i will."
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Queen_Dopplepopolis said:
"I am glad that you trust the decision of the majority Justice, but that is not what this is. What is done with my child is my choice. I understand it will effect us all, but we have all made decisions that have involved more then just ourselves."
Archon's eyes narrow as if thinking,
"What is *really* bothering you Justice? Like you said yourself, everyone else seems to be pretty calm about my decision. Do you not trust my Judgement? Or do you think i would choose the child before the Circle or even the Cause? You would be right to think that Justice."
And then with complete sincerity,
"Because i will."
"
The_Universe
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If you're going to make a NEW Circle HQ that's not the de facto capital of the kingdom, you should choose neutral territory.
While L'Aurel's county, Hyrwl/New Oceanus is also the seat of power for the entire Phoenix Kingdom, which removes it from the desmesne of the individual PCs (at least somewhat).
As L'Aurel can tell you, once Jaine moved in, her title has become largely one of a figurehead - something that probably should be remedied with another landgrant to make up for the usurpation of her lands.
While L'Aurel's county, Hyrwl/New Oceanus is also the seat of power for the entire Phoenix Kingdom, which removes it from the desmesne of the individual PCs (at least somewhat).
As L'Aurel can tell you, once Jaine moved in, her title has become largely one of a figurehead - something that probably should be remedied with another landgrant to make up for the usurpation of her lands.
The_Universe
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I'm thinking that's an Oath breaker, right there. I'm willing to entertain discussion on the matter, though.Archon said:
The_Universe
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The Oath that the Circle took is not based on feelings (or else it would be broken every time someone was mad). It's based on a conscious dedication to a cause above all else, and it would seem apparent that Archonus has already chosen to lessen the importance of that cause (and the Circle) for himself - thus breaking the oath.
The decision, such as it is, has already been made (apparently).
Now, that's not to say that Archon needs to slaughter the child to remain faithful to his oath - but the oath must be considered, and I believe that as of the present (with the existing logic out there) Archon has broken his oath to hold the Circle of the Phoenix (and the accordant dedication to the Phoenix Throne) above all other things.
If, for instance, the Circle were to consider the child's life paramount to the cause (and to the safety and continuation of the throne, etc.) THEN you might be OK. But that *is* a matter of consensus. How important is the child? More important than any of you?
IC, none of you have any right to get huffy (real or pretended) when someone questions your judgement on personal matters - you consciously chose to subordinate them to the collective good when you made the oath, and I believe I made it clear numerous times that I would be zealous in enforcing both the spirit and the letter of your promises, particularly as they imparted some significant in-game benefits.
The decision, such as it is, has already been made (apparently).
Now, that's not to say that Archon needs to slaughter the child to remain faithful to his oath - but the oath must be considered, and I believe that as of the present (with the existing logic out there) Archon has broken his oath to hold the Circle of the Phoenix (and the accordant dedication to the Phoenix Throne) above all other things.
If, for instance, the Circle were to consider the child's life paramount to the cause (and to the safety and continuation of the throne, etc.) THEN you might be OK. But that *is* a matter of consensus. How important is the child? More important than any of you?
IC, none of you have any right to get huffy (real or pretended) when someone questions your judgement on personal matters - you consciously chose to subordinate them to the collective good when you made the oath, and I believe I made it clear numerous times that I would be zealous in enforcing both the spirit and the letter of your promises, particularly as they imparted some significant in-game benefits.
Queen_Dopplepopolis
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The child, while important, is not paramount to the cause of the Circle - at least, not in Justice's mind. The Circle's priority is to defeat the king now and to win the war now. I understand the importance of the child for the future security and stability of the throne as a back up if something goes wrong, however; that potential thing cannot happen until we win the war...
As such, I would place the survival of the child a step lower than the war... so, for example, if Justice is given the choice to do something that would win the war (say, slay Mordred) or save the life of Archonus' child - the child's life would be lost.
As such - Justice's response...
"Archonus - this war that we fight is my paramount - the thing that, at this moment, I live for. While I believe the life of your child to be important, I cannot say that I would lay down my life for her before I would lay down my life to see this conflict ended.
Placing your child at the top of our priority list assumes this war has already been won, and though we have tasted victory, we are far from being champions. The life of your child could, indeed, become important after the Phoenix kingdom is an established government... but unless this war is won, there will never be an opportunity for her to serve. In my mind, the child must come second or we have spent far too long fighting a war that we will not win."
As such, I would place the survival of the child a step lower than the war... so, for example, if Justice is given the choice to do something that would win the war (say, slay Mordred) or save the life of Archonus' child - the child's life would be lost.
As such - Justice's response...
"Archonus - this war that we fight is my paramount - the thing that, at this moment, I live for. While I believe the life of your child to be important, I cannot say that I would lay down my life for her before I would lay down my life to see this conflict ended.
Placing your child at the top of our priority list assumes this war has already been won, and though we have tasted victory, we are far from being champions. The life of your child could, indeed, become important after the Phoenix kingdom is an established government... but unless this war is won, there will never be an opportunity for her to serve. In my mind, the child must come second or we have spent far too long fighting a war that we will not win."
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AIM-54
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Sorry, haven't been following this all that closely (been outta town and whatnot), but I hadn't realized we'd made a decision on this (it seems that way, at any rate) and would just like to pipe up Kaereth's wholehearted opposition to this plan.
In his own words:
<british accent> "Archonus, your devotion to your child is noble and, indeed, admirable, but we in the Circle have certain obligations to our people and carrying around a child can only impede our ability to accomplish those tasks required of us. I understand that you do not plan to have the child with you in the case of short-term operations, but the truth is we cannot predict where we may have to go to execute our missions and given the dangers we are likely to face it is not wise to bring indefensible infants on any such endeavors, whether we are on a one day trip or a three month journey. Taking us out of the fight because we are limited by your unwillingness to leave your child is also not a viable option. We are at a critical time in our rebellion and must not now falter. Not for any reason. The future of our people and the freedom of all on the continent is at stake. Indeed, our deeds here may impact continents of which we are now only barely aware. There may be no alternative security arrangement that meets your overly demanding standards, but we cannot put all that we have thus far accomplished at risk. War is no place for children and putting the entire circle at risk for the life of an infant, one we would all sacrifice for if it came to it, can only endanger us and our cause. Ultimately, I believe that extra risk is not worth it. I urge you to reconsider. I would not see us fail, or watch my comrades fall because of this." </british accent>
In his own words:
<british accent> "Archonus, your devotion to your child is noble and, indeed, admirable, but we in the Circle have certain obligations to our people and carrying around a child can only impede our ability to accomplish those tasks required of us. I understand that you do not plan to have the child with you in the case of short-term operations, but the truth is we cannot predict where we may have to go to execute our missions and given the dangers we are likely to face it is not wise to bring indefensible infants on any such endeavors, whether we are on a one day trip or a three month journey. Taking us out of the fight because we are limited by your unwillingness to leave your child is also not a viable option. We are at a critical time in our rebellion and must not now falter. Not for any reason. The future of our people and the freedom of all on the continent is at stake. Indeed, our deeds here may impact continents of which we are now only barely aware. There may be no alternative security arrangement that meets your overly demanding standards, but we cannot put all that we have thus far accomplished at risk. War is no place for children and putting the entire circle at risk for the life of an infant, one we would all sacrifice for if it came to it, can only endanger us and our cause. Ultimately, I believe that extra risk is not worth it. I urge you to reconsider. I would not see us fail, or watch my comrades fall because of this." </british accent>
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