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D&D General Backpacks and Sacks Carrying Capacity and Dimensions

Vaalingrade

Legend
If the DM cares about encumbrance, I'm just going to speedrun to a bag of holding or else let them care about it because... I don't. If they count ammo, I'm just not going to use ammo weapons. If they count rations, a lot of monsters are getting carved in ways that have nothing to do with combat.

I'm not hear to simulate actual camping and the logistics therein. I'm here to emulate fantasy adventure stories where you very rarely hear about where they go toilet or how heavy their stuff is. And the stories that do care about that minutia? I don't care to read or write those either.
 

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If the DM cares about encumbrance, I'm just going to speedrun to a bag of holding or else let them care about it because... I don't. If they count ammo, I'm just not going to use ammo weapons. If they count rations, a lot of monsters are getting carved in ways that have nothing to do with combat.

I'm not hear to simulate actual camping and the logistics therein. I'm here to emulate fantasy adventure stories where you very rarely hear about where they go toilet or how heavy their stuff is. And the stories that do care about that minutia? I don't care to read or write those either.
And what do you do if the DM does not have bags of holding in their game. I have never handed one out. Further, a Bag of Holding takes up a hand. Unless you find a way to stuff it in a backpack.

And yes, part of the adventure is indeed worrying about the minutiae, as you call it. Is it really that difficult to keep track of ammo and rations?
 

If the DM cares about encumbrance, I'm just going to speedrun to a bag of holding or else let them care about it because... I don't. If they count ammo, I'm just not going to use ammo weapons. If they count rations, a lot of monsters are getting carved in ways that have nothing to do with combat.

I'm not hear to simulate actual camping and the logistics therein. I'm here to emulate fantasy adventure stories where you very rarely hear about where they go toilet or how heavy their stuff is. And the stories that do care about that minutia? I don't care to read or write those either.
Further, "here to emulate fantasy stories where you never hear about this stuff"....... I'm pretty sure there are many lines in LOTR devoted to rations, and lack thereof. To Sam's heavy pack in which he carried cooking utensils. To the dwindling supplies of Elvish waybread. And so on. I guess Tolkien was really not a good writer of fantasy.......
 

Vaalingrade

Legend
Further, "here to emulate fantasy stories where you never hear about this stuff"....... I'm pretty sure there are many lines in LOTR devoted to rations, and lack thereof. To Sam's heavy pack in which he carried cooking utensils. To the dwindling supplies of Elvish waybread. And so on. I guess Tolkien was really not a good writer of fantasy.......
It's not a question of good writing, it's about the kinds I want to play out in game. I also wouldn't want to play out all the just plan walking in LotR.

Also most DMs are not Tolkien.
And what do you do if the DM does not have bags of holding in their game. I have never handed one out.
Like I said, then either I'm not game for it or the DM can track it themselves if they care.
Further, a Bag of Holding takes up a hand. Unless you find a way to stuff it in a backpack.
Like... placing it inside the backpack? Like any other sack? I am so confused as to why this was brought up.
And yes, part of the adventure is indeed worrying about the minutiae, as you call it. Is it really that difficult to keep track of ammo and rations?
Not difficult, just boring, tedious and not fun for me. For me it adds nothing worth my efforts. Same reason I always play spont casters over prepared.
 

It's not a question of good writing, it's about the kinds I want to play out in game. I also wouldn't want to play out all the just plan walking in LotR.

Also most DMs are not Tolkien.

Like I said, then either I'm not game for it or the DM can track it themselves if they care.

Like... placing it inside the backpack? Like any other sack? I am so confused as to why this was brought up.

Not difficult, just boring, tedious and not fun for me. For me it adds nothing worth my efforts. Same reason I always play spont casters over prepared.
So I guess you don't track HP or spell slots either. They are minutaie, right? Or Ki Points, or Channel Divinity uses, or healing potions? But I guess those are all the responsibility of DM, or really, just impediments to a good game.....

All the things that you call minutaie are actually the game's bones.
 

Vaalingrade

Legend
So I guess you don't track HP or spell slots either. They are minutaie, right? Or Ki Points, or Channel Divinity uses, or healing potions? But I guess those are all the responsibility of DM, or really, just impediments to a good game.....

All the things that you call minutaie are actually the game's bones.
Oh boy, slipper slopes again!

HP and spell slots offer something for interacting with them. Ki Points and Channel divinity have a point. Encumbrance, rations and ammo don't to me. It's just bookkeeping.

Not all logistic are equal.

They may be the game's bones to you, but to me, they're the game's nose hair.
 


Oh boy, slipper slopes again!

HP and spell slots offer something for interacting with them. Ki Points and Channel divinity have a point. Encumbrance, rations and ammo don't to me. It's just bookkeeping.

Not all logistic are equal.

They may be the game's bones to you, but to me, they're the game's nose hair.
You choose what numbers to track, and what numbers not to track, when it is exactly the same process. Sounds to me that you want to play a video game, where you can shoot 100 arrows in 30 minutes, and not worry about it at all.
Oh boy, slipper slopes again!

HP and spell slots offer something for interacting with them. Ki Points and Channel divinity have a point. Encumbrance, rations and ammo don't to me. It's just bookkeeping.

Not all logistic are equal.

They may be the game's bones to you, but to me, they're the game's nose hair.
Oh, and in LOTR:
From Bree to Rivendell to Caradhras to the entrance to Moria they had a pack pony with all their stuff on it named Bill. He's even got a cameo in the movie. When they dismissed him because they could not take him into the mines, they had to distribute his burden among the party.

But... fantasy stories don't care about encumbrance.
 

Vaalingrade

Legend
You choose what numbers to track, and what numbers not to track, when it is exactly the same process. Sounds to me that you want to play a video game, where you can shoot 100 arrows in 30 minutes, and not worry about it at all.
Same process, different priority. I don't care about inventory management period.

Also, based on the random animosity against videogames, I'm going to assume you don't know, but most video games with an inventory DO track ammo and make you play annoying inventory minigames. I don't like those parts of them either, but at least they're automatic.
Oh, and in LOTR:
From Bree to Rivendell to Caradhras to the entrance to Moria they had a pack pony with all their stuff on it named Bill. He's even got a cameo in the movie. When they dismissed him because they could not take him into the mines, they had to distribute his burden among the party.

But... fantasy stories don't care about encumbrance.
For the love of...

I said the want to emulate the fantasy stories that don't care, not that none of them care. Also, I'm pretty sure LotR isn't the only fantasy story and it certainly doesn't include all the tropes one might or might not want to play out. It's a nice place to read about and watch, but I wouldn't want to play a TTRPG there.
 

Same process, different priority. I don't care about inventory management period.

Also, based on the random animosity against videogames, I'm going to assume you don't know, but most video games with an inventory DO track ammo and make you play annoying inventory minigames. I don't like those parts of them either, but at least they're automatic.

For the love of...

I said the want to emulate the fantasy stories that don't care, not that none of them care. Also, I'm pretty sure LotR isn't the only fantasy story and it certainly doesn't include all the tropes one might or might not want to play out. It's a nice place to read about and watch, but I wouldn't want to play a TTRPG there.
So you don't want such trivial things like ammo and encumbrance to limit your char. Rules are for the other guys. You want your char to soar to uncharted heights, but such rules chafe and bind your char to the ground.

Is that about right? Like I said, I have had a player quit on the spot with pretty much that thought process.
 

Vaalingrade

Legend
So you don't want such trivial things like ammo and encumbrance to limit your char. Rules are for the other guys. You want your char to soar to uncharted heights, but such rules chafe and bind your char to the ground.

Is that about right? Like I said, I have had a player quit on the spot with pretty much that thought process.
Where are you getting these things? Please stop throwing random attacks at the wall and trying to make them stick.

I don't want to have to track them. If the DM is willing to pretend they matter, fine. I just. Don't. Care.
 

@Vaalingrade Just let it go. Let this thread die. Lets stop feeding it.

@Vince_Snetterton is welcome to run the game the way he wants. He has already whined that lots of players drop from his games because of the way he runs them. He apparently knows why and if he gets enough players to run his games then he should just keep on doing it his way if that is what he wants. There is no reason he needs to change the way he plays and runs D&D because its the way he always has. Just because a large number of folks, myself included, do not play or run D&D they way we did 40 years ago, doesn't mean we are right and he is wrong.
 

haakon1

Adventurer
I track weight very specifically, and have character sheets list where everything is (in case someone drops their back to run faster, etc.). I also will penalize characters if they sleep in cold weather without a tent and a cold weather blanket, don’t have enough water, etc. But I never worried about how much weight or dimensions could be carried in a specific container. Usually the non-magical places PC’s in my games are backpack, on top/bottom/rear of backpack, belt pouch, pockets, weapon belts, worn, over shoulder, etc. If they want to carry something awkward that wasn’t a weight problem, like a chair maybe, I’d say OK but it takes both hands.
 

Bupp

Adventurer
We're all just talking different styles of play. I've played and ran every gamut of equipment and encumbrance rules. From handing out bags of holding early on, to meticulously counting coins.

Digital character sheets are wonderful for when you want encumbrance to matter.
I also host a collection of inventory sheets on my blog, many of them calculating.

I've even declared "you're 5th level now, all your characters would probably be well prepared, and have a better idea than you (the player) at what stuff they should have on them. You are assumed to be carrying (within reason) any mundane gear that you will need, without tracking it on a character sheet." In those kinds of games I charged higher living expenses to account for having the "batman utility belt".
 

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