Bargain!

[Ferret]

Two for one, gain the most out of shapechanging and your familiar.

 

[Ferret]

Bump, please comment

 

[kreynolds]

Bump, please comment

I'm lost. What kind of feedback are you looking for?

 

[mikebr99]

So... for my benifit. We are talking about someone who is a 1st sorcerer/5th druid/xth shifter right?

And this guy who has a owl familiar wishes to greater-shapechange both himself and the owl into some form. ie a troll... Good luck keeping that bird sane after that little stunt. How are you going to justify a 2 INT avain creature controlling a big troll body? That trick is a tad better then "sit" or "fetch".

 

[Nish]

Good luck keeping that bird sane after that little stunt. How are you going to justify a 2 INT avain creature controlling a big troll body? That trick is a tad better then "sit" or "fetch".

Except that we're not talking about a normal bird here. Its a magical beast with at least a 6 in intelligence and one that's been infused with a portion of its master's consciousness.

I'd say its a pretty effective combination except for the fact that your familiar still has only half your hitpoints, and turning it into something that could pose a serious threat to a powerful creature is likely to result in a dead familiar and a significant exp loss.

 

[Caliban]

By core rules it won't work unless you and your familiar stay within 5' of each other at all times.

And your familiar still only has 1/2 your hit points.

In general I think it's a sub-par combination from a cost/benefit point of view.

 

[Magic Rub]

By core rules it won't work unless you and your familiar stay within 5' of each other at all times.

And your familiar still only has 1/2 your hit points.

In general I think it's a sub-par combination from a cost/benefit point of view.

They could morph into trolls hold hands & skip!

 

[Ferret]

You don't have to wildshape, you can shapechange, plus you can get enspell familliar.