Basic D&D Was Selling 600,000+/Year At One Point

Recently Ben Riggs shared some sales figures of AD&D 1st Edition. Now he has shared figures for Basic D&D from 1979-1995, and during the early 80s is was selling 500-700K copies per year. Ben Riggs' book, Slaying the Dragon, which is a history of TSR-era D&D, comes out soon, and you can pre-order your copy now. https://read.macmillan.com/lp/slaying-the-dragon/ You can compare these...

Recently Ben Riggs shared some sales figures of AD&D 1st Edition. Now he has shared figures for Basic D&D from 1979-1995, and during the early 80s is was selling 500-700K copies per year.

Ben Riggs' book, Slaying the Dragon, which is a history of TSR-era D&D, comes out soon, and you can pre-order your copy now.


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You can compare these figures to those of AD&D 1E in the same period. Basic D&D sold higher than AD&D's PHB and DMG combined for 4 years running, again in the early 80s.

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If you take a look at the overall sales from 1979-1995, here are the two beside each other (again, this is just PHB and DMG, so it doesn't include the Monster Manual, Unearthed Arcana, etc.)

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More actual D&D sales numbers!

Below you will find the sales numbers of Basic D&D, and then two charts comparing those to the sales of AD&D 1st edition. For those who don’t know, early in its life, the tree of D&D was split in half. On the one side there was D&D, an RPG designed to bring beginners into the game. It was simpler, and didn’t try to have rules for everything.
On the other side there was Advanced Dungeons & Dragons, Gary Gygax’s attempt to throw a net around the world and then shove it into rulebooks. The game was so detailed that it provided rules on how Armor Class changed depending on what hand your PC held their shield in. (It may also have been an attempt to cut D&D co-creator Dave Arneson out of royalties…)

I am frankly shocked at how well Basic D&D sold. Having discovered AD&D 2nd edition in the 90s, I thought of “Dungeons & Dragons” as a sort of baby game of mashed peas and steamed potatoes. It was for people not ready for the full meal that was AD&D. (I have since learned how wrong I was to dismiss the beauty of what Holmes, Moldvay, Mentzer, Cook, et al created for us in those wondrous BECMI boxed sets…)

I figured that Basic D&D was just a series of intro products, but over its lifetime, it actually outsold AD&D 1st edition. (Partly because 1st edition was replaced by 2nd edition in 1989. I’ll start rolling out the 2nd ed numbers tomorrow FYI.) These numbers would explain why in a 1980 Dragon article Gygax spoke of AD&D not being “abandoned.”
Still, between 1980 and 1984, Basic outsold AD&D. The strong numbers for Basic D&D prompt a few questions. Where was the strength of the brand? Were these two lines of products in competition with each other? Was one “real” D&D? And why did TSR stop supporting Basic D&D in the 90s?

The only one of those questions I will hazard is the last one. A source told me that because TSR CEO Lorraine Williams did not want to generate royalties for Gary Gygax or Dave Arneson, Basic D&D was left to wither on the vine.

I will also say this: TSR will die in 1997 of a thousand cuts, but the one underlying all of them was a failure of the company to grow its customer base. TSR wanted its D&D players to migrate over to AD&D, but what if they didn’t? What if they wanted to keep playing D&D, and TSR simply stopped making the product they wanted to buy? What if TSR walked away from what may have been hundreds of thousands of customers because of a sort of personal vendetta?

Tomorrow, I’ll post numbers for 2nd edition AD&D, and comparisons for it with Basic and 1st edition.

And if you don’t know, I have a book of D&D history coming out in a couple weeks. If you find me interesting, you can preorder in the first comment below!

Also, I'll post raw sales numbers below for the interested.
 

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Mannahnin

Scion of Murgen (He/Him)
BADD was formed in 1983, after Pat Pulling's wrongful death lawsuits against her son's Irving's high school principal and against TSR had been dismissed.
 

Snarf Zagyg

Notorious Liquefactionist
Someone should do a comparison. :)


As I discuss here, this was really about market saturation for the core books. Other than a Jim Ward comment complaining about moms getting the product pulled from JC Penney (which I can't place a time on), we don't have any data on the interplay between the Panic helping sales and hurting distribution, or the time.

What we do know is that the first "collapse" of TSR was not a collapse in revenue, but a combination of mismanagement (overhiring based on insane projections), flat-out bizarre project (did they really need to raise a boat from the bottom of Lake Geneva), and a shift in focus from selling core rule books to selling other products (e.g, Dragonlance line, UA, OA, etc.).
 

I am definitely buying the book, this is interesting stuff!

Not being able to sell D&D in big retailers was a huge blow to the industry, but maybe not one that was felt for awhile because it took time for them to realize the TTRPG player market wasn't really growing. (Although, how many stories do we hear of someone who "gamed in college" and only got back to it decades later?)

I also recall seeing shelves of 1E DMG's at the local bookstore that just weren't selling, so I do think over-saturation was a problem.

It would be interesting to get real numbers from WotC for sales of various editions, but we'll likely never get that data.

I do find it interesting that people can't help but try and use sales figures to say "See? My edition is BETTER!" Some things never change...
 

darjr

I crit!
In 1984 you could still buy D&D stuff at sears so it was after that. Maybe it was banned sometime in 1984, early enough and it would fit.
Though that add was in October 1984.
 

Mannahnin

Scion of Murgen (He/Him)
In 1984 you could still buy D&D stuff at sears so it was after that. Maybe sometime in 1984, early enough and it would fit.

I started in '85, and for at least the first couple of years my primary places to find D&D books were the B. Dalton book store (which is also where I got Dragon magazine) and K B Toys at the largest shopping mall in my area. When my family moved from NH to PA in 1987, our local mall had an actual hobby and game store, and that became my new favorite place and spot to shop. Although I think I recall the book store in that mall also carrying D&D books.
 

Jer

Legend
Supporter
I started in '85, and for at least the first couple of years my primary places to find D&D books were the B. Dalton book store (which is also where I got Dragon magazine) and K B Toys at the largest shopping mall in my area. When my family moved from NH to PA in 1987, our local mall had an actual hobby and game store, and that became my new favorite place and spot to shop. Although I think I recall the book store in that mall also carrying D&D books.
You could get D&D modules and books at Toys R' Us until at least 1986 I think. I think '86 because I bought the Marvel Superheroes Advanced RPG at a Toys R' Us and it came out in '86. At the time they had a small TSR section that included the boxed sets, modules and some of the hardcovers (I vividly remember seeing Unearthed Arcana there for the first time).

By '87 I think they were out at Toys R Us but Waldenbooks had a fully stocked D&D section - I got most of my GAZ series modules there.

I'm actually not sure what impact BADD had on getting books removed from shelves. Is there any documented history of their successes? (I know some of the smaller bookstores probably got pressured to drop the books but that kind of thing usually happens more due to local pressure than national pushes).
 


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