Bastion Press Products: Quibbles & Bits

Kaptain_Kantrip

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As you may have noticed, I have been running around the ENB praising the holy heck out of Arms & Armor from Bastion Press. No, I am not on Jim Butler's payroll. :D

Arms & Armor is a great resource for anyone who wants more weapons and armor and magic versions of same. A great value, crammed full of crunchy goodness. Go buy it! If you still want more goodies, Mongoose's The Quintessential Fighter delivers more fun stuff to kill things with.

Now that the plug is out of the way, I would like to address some problems I have with their other main products: Villains and Minions.

Minions delivers a handful of cool new monsters and way too many weird ones likely to see little use. For the record, I had this same problem with Mystic Eye's two monster books and S&S's Creature Collections. Mystic Eye's books are $10 cheaper though not as slick and not in color (and have horrible layout to boot). CC 1 and 2 are hardcover and deliver way more monsters in over twice as many pages for the same $25 that Minions charges. Ouch. :( Minions is the same price at the same page count as WoTC's book, Monsters of Faerun, but MoF has far more useful creatures in it, and better artwork (except for the terrible Bullywug pic by Mike Kaluta, who I know is capable of much better work--shame on you, Mikey!). I did not buy any monster books except MM and MoF. Anything else I get from the online Creature Catalog or make up myself. I probably won't buy any new third party monster books regardless of publisher.

Villains (also 96 pages for $25, full color) has the same problem as Minions: too many weirdos and not enough cool baddies. The Wise and the Wicked HC from S&S gives much more for your money (same price), but is possibly too setting-specific to be useful outside of a Scarred Lands campaign without major tweaking.

I read both books rather thoroughly and could not justify spending $25 each for what amounted to a small handful of useful bits. YMMV. Arms & Armor, as I've said before, delivers the crunchy goods for your $25 and is one of the best third party accessories produced thus far, in terms of overall utility, IMO.

My main complaint with all Bastion Press products is the generally poor artwork of their main artist and his bizarre, garish use of color. His style is too cartoonish, his characters and creatures are always emaciated, and I find his art to just be plain weird-looking and distracting/detracting from the flow of the text. He seems fine at drawing most anything that isn't alive (weapons, armor), but as soon as anything that isn't insectoid or undead enters the picture, forget it! :(

So, there you have it: my opinions, for what they're worth. Now, Jim, about that payroll idea... :p
 
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I picked up Minions, and was rather underwhelmed. I ordered it because I took a review to heart because the reviewer said that as he turned the pages he thought to himself "why didn't anyone do this before." Knowing that feeling myself with some better d20 system supplements, I ordered it.

Man, what a mistake. There are a few decent ideas, but in some cases you just had to wonder what the heck that reviewer was thinking. Inside-out Rhinos? Okay, there was a REASON no one has done some of these ideas before: they are crap.

I hadn't been planning on picking up any more Bastion stuff; the format is too expensive, the artwork stinks, and Minion's concepts just left a bad taste in my mouth.

Thanks for the heads up on villains; you seem to confirm that it has conceptual problems much as minions does.

While you think Arms & Armor was decent, I have heard some people decry it already. Given that the format is too expensive, I think I will fail on the safe side and not get it until I have had a chance to look at it.

Too bad... I had high hopes for bastion's future books, but right now their future looks pretty bleak to me.
 

What? Psion! We actually agree on something? LOL. :D

Villains is a better book than Minions, I will give it that much (but nothing else).

Psion, I hope you will give Arms & Armor a chance when you finally do see it in a store. It's hardly essential, but a very nice supplement to have, IMO. YMMV. TQF has a much smaller but still useful selection of new arms & armors that I really liked.

I had seen Villains and Minions before Arms & Armor and not liked them much at all, but decided to give A&A a fair chance at my gaming dollar. That said, of course, I waited and read it for half an hour very carefully before plunking down my $25. My LGS has a comfy couch for just such an occasion, thankfully, and reading stuff is encouraged (either that, or the owner is lax because I spend so much $ in her shop, LOL). Because I liked A&A so much, I am giving their forthcoming books a fair chance: Alchemy & Herbalists and Spells & Magic seem like they should be useful and fun, if hardly essential, supplements. But I'm a sucker for new spells... :P

I do agree that Bastion's format is expensive---too expensive for the page count in most cases, with the exception of A&A. Keep in mind that their printing costs must be atrociously high going with a slick, glossy all color format, so I think the "sticker shock" $25 price tags are probably justified to warrant the line's profitability. I would rather get a cheaper B&W version than pay for that fancy extra stuff, personally. Because of the $25 price tag, It took an hour of deliberation to decide to buy A&A (30 minutes of solid reading plus 30 minutes of debating its merits over other items I wanted to purchase that day). If A&A had been $15 or $20 I wouldn't have hesitated as much.
 
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i have held arm and armor in my hands three times at my LGS. i am the most impulsive RPG buyer you will ever find.

but for $25, i couldn't justify purchasing it. at $15, maybe. not $25. though it was cool, it was way overpriced.
 

I also agree on the price. While I do like the idea of having a full-color book, I'll take black and white for a cheaper price.

I have a pathological need, I think, to own everything. Pokemon philosophy at its finest! But for $25, I won't be able to justify it. Not with paying a backlogged phone bill and getting a new fuel filter for my car.

$15? I would have bought it the same day, and pre-ordered Alchemy and Herbalists. $20, I'd gotten A&A that month, and gotten the other during subsequent months.

$25? Not going to cut it. This is one of those that a group should all chip in for and then pass around. Everybody fork over $5, and then this is a decent value.

Guys, if you do a reprint, go black and white and cut the price some. I think you'll be getting more sales. :p
 

I helped playtest Minions... my name is in the book... even that could not justify purchasing it....


As a side note, the coolest monster in the packet I playtested was left out of the book. I was highly disappointed.
 

Isida Kep'Tukari said:


...$25? Not going to cut it. This is one of those that a group should all chip in for and then pass around. Everybody fork over $5, and then this is a decent value.

Guys, if you do a reprint, go black and white and cut the price some. I think you'll be getting more sales. :p

i guess great minds think alike :) i was just going to propose a group purchase this friday to my group.

and i wholeheartedly concur about a B & W reprint. the color looks nice, but it's not worth the extra $10 that i think both you and i feel it adds to the FMV.
 

A group purchase of $5 per member is a great idea to justify the purchase of this expensive add-on book. I too, hope (but won't hold my breath) for a B&W cheaper reprint. Our group would probably buy an extra copy, then.
 

Near-complete agreement

Heck, I got a free copy of Minions (the Swamp Hellion was mine) and I'm dissapointed in it. I'll probably never stop thinking I should have pulled the Hellion from the book the moment I saw the art that Mr. Morasch (Bastion's primary artist) did for it. The illo. included in the write-up just plain and simple looks nothing at all like the Hellion. Not even vaguely close. (I keep the original Swamp Hellion pic that I submitted here)
Not to mention the entire Campaign section of the write-up I completely disagree with.

I wanted to like the book so much, too...
 

I'd love to see Bastion Press drop the price to $20 and go to a decent black & white artist. I actually liked Minions, but can't stand the anorexic, gnarled-knuckle illustrations.

If you have $25 to spend on a monster book, get Creatures of Rokugan.

Arms & Armor I've considered but put on the back burner; Villains I've simply passed on. I don't use premade NPCs, so...

Cheers
Nell.
 

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