Batman Begins

[DonTadow]

So how does the much-criticised costume actually come across?

And I've heard some really bad things about the fight scenes. Are they as bad as they say?

I saw the movie last night and thought it was pretty good. So far its the best one in my mind. Nothing's over done and it stuck to true batman unlike any of the others. I still say Val Kilmer was a better batman but Bale handled his.

As for your question the suit was interesting to me. It ws not overdone and looked like something someone put together or redid. I liked that. It gave some authenticity to this guy doing this thing.

 

[BiggusGeekus]

That movie broke my heart.

Mine as well.

I wish I didn't already hate Baldwin, so I could use the Shadow movie to start hating him.

Back on topic: the new Bats looks teh kewl.

 

[Henry]

Based on what I've read in this thread and heard from a movie critic on the radio today, it's changed my mind from "I'll pass and wait for video" to "hmm, wonder if I should go see this in the theater?" I'm torn, because I was really planning my next movie to be Serenity, but this may pique my interest enough to check it out.

 

[DonTadow]

Based on what I've read in this thread and heard from a movie critic on the radio today, it's changed my mind from "I'll pass and wait for video" to "hmm, wonder if I should go see this in the theater?" I'm torn, because I was really planning my next movie to be Serenity, but this may pique my interest enough to check it out.

I was really dreading this movie before the reviews and the interviews started changing my mind. At first when I heard this movie would showcase three villians, I swore that this was going to be horrible. But this really showed how you do three villians the right way without making it campy, silly and stupid.

 

[Mouseferatu]

I still say Val Kilmer was a better batman but Bale handled his.

Wow. You and I must look for very different things in our Batman actors. Ranking the four actors to portray Batman on the big screen in the past two decades, I'd put Val Kilmer at number 3.

For the record, my personal order from worst to best:

4) Clooney. Like the guy, totally wrong for Batman. (The fact that his movie had no redeeming value whatsoever doesn't help.) If they wanted to make George Clooney play a superhero, he really should have been Reed Richards/Mr. Fantastic.

3) Kilmer. Better than Clooney, but he just didn't do it for me.

2) Keaton. Can't do the physical stuff, but I thought he captured the persona better than either of the previous two.

1) Bale. Got everything right. The first person able to do the persona and the physicality with equal ability.

 

[DonTadow]

Wow. You and I must look for very different things in our Batman actors. Ranking the four actors to portray Batman on the big screen in the past two decades, I'd put Val Kilmer at number 3.

For the record, my personal order from worst to best:

4) Clooney. Like the guy, totally wrong for Batman. (The fact that his movie had no redeeming value whatsoever doesn't help.) If they wanted to make George Clooney play a superhero, he really should have been Reed Richards/Mr. Fantastic.

3) Kilmer. Better than Clooney, but he just didn't do it for me.

2) Keaton. Can't do the physical stuff, but I thought he captured the persona better than either of the previous two.

1) Bale. Got everything right. The first person able to do the persona and the physicality with equal ability.

You didn't really givea good reason outside of the fact that you personally didn't like Kilmer???

Keaton was too old to play the part and it showed on the screen. I think we both agree on Clooney. So it comes down between Kilmer and Bale. I loved Bale, don't get me wrong, but Bale played a first year batman wheras Kilmer had the mannerisms, the broodiness and the assertiveness of the current batman down packed. He reminded me more of the comic book batman. The script, direction and villians hurt hte movie. If you watch it, it looks as if Kilmer is in a different movie altogether because he is takign the role seriously.

 

[Mouseferatu]

You didn't really givea good reason outside of the fact that you personally didn't like Kilmer???

Well, to clarify, I like Val Kilmer as an actor. I just wasn't fond of him in the role. Ultimately, I'm not sure there's anything more to it than that. He didn't fit, in my eyes. I think...

Honestly, I think, at least in part, he came across as too young for the role. If he had been doing a Year One, he might have worked better.

I'll be the first to admit, though, that part of my reaction may indeed be the movie dragging him down. It wasn't as bad as the fourth, but man, was it not good. Especially bringing in Robin. I pray on my knees that the current franchise never even considers a Robin character.

But all that said, I thought Bale had the mannerisms down, too. I mean, come on. There has never been a more iconically Batman scene filmed, ever, than the scene in Batman Begins where he's questioning Detective Flass. That whole scene--mannerisms included--just screamed Batman more than anything in either of the last two movies of the previous incarnation.

 

[DonTadow]

Well, to clarify, I like Val Kilmer as an actor. I just wasn't fond of him in the role. Ultimately, I'm not sure there's anything more to it than that. He didn't fit, in my eyes. I think...

Honestly, I think, at least in part, he came across as too young for the role. If he had been doing a Year One, he might have worked better.

I'll be the first to admit, though, that part of my reaction may indeed be the movie dragging him down. It wasn't as bad as the fourth, but man, was it not good. Especially bringing in Robin. I pray on my knees that the current franchise never even considers a Robin character.

But all that said, I thought Bale had the mannerisms down, too. I mean, come on. There has never been a more iconically Batman scene filmed, ever, than the scene in Batman Begins where he's questioning Detective Flass. That whole scene--mannerisms included--just screamed Batman more than anything in either of the last two movies of the previous incarnation.

I wouldn't have minded robin if it were have been a young teen (and much better scripts) I think that the way they're going with these next few batman they could still bring in a time drake style robin (which wouldn't surprise me considering the popularity of Robin and Teen Titans)

I think Bale was excellent. I was kinda lof down because I see Bale playing a 23 or 25 year old batman and in some ports a 19 year old batman, I would have liked if (at least for the late teens) they would have hired another actor. but I wouldn't count out Kilmer out. I think if the movie would have been better the acting he did in that movie as batman would have shown more. I've heard he was too stiff but that's how i picture batman in the later years. A very stern, detective straight laced guy.

 

[Ranger REG]

Keaton was too old to play the part and it showed on the screen.

Too old?!?!?!!! Based on what? The next leading actor play to play Batman, Val "I coulda been a 21 Jumpstreet cop" Kilmer?

Sorry, bro, but director Tim Burton casted Keaton right in the first place.

 

[Klaus]

Keaton as Batman was bad. Pouting lips do not an intimidating expression make. Plus the script had Batman killing, which isn't a very Batman thing to do.

As Bruce Wayne he wasn't much better either. He looked to distracted, too bumbling (even when he was alone with Alfred).

And theres the phisique du role. He just didn't look the part, and it hurt his performance.