Battle Royale of the Gawds continuation
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clockworkjoe
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Victim said:
Actually, I take lessons from the guy who wrote this book
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/t...104-6688578-3707916?v=glance&s=books&n=507846
reapersaurus
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just to confirm : clockwork, you got my move by email yesterday, and my ICQ today, right?
And that book was a good read, for the first part that was sampled on Amazon.
And that book was a good read, for the first part that was sampled on Amazon.
clockworkjoe
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About Jade's turn:
First and foremost, don't forget Jade has a -8 penalty on her diplomacy check due to energy drain.
Zeus and the other gawds are not in the business of simply protecting one fighter over another. Thus asking for healing or other boons that only benefit a single character aren't going to happen most likely. That's boring and unfair to the other fighters.
Zeus thinks that Jade and Martok are moral equals in their fighting tactics. Martok's tricks are powerful but have countermeasures that players can be expected to get such as true seeing (whch you have) and a good reflex save (for the trees) while Jade uses powerful tricks with few if any countermeasures (Quest and horn of blasting). Furthermore, Zeus admires bravery in the face of difficulty and not someone begging him for help. If Zeus truly cared about Jade or Therron's well being, he wouldn't have teleported them into the Arena in the first place.
If you wanted the gawds to give you special boons you should have taken the My gawd likes me advantage instead of the stand by me advantage. You will NOT have the benefits of two boons.
If you're wondering about what type of boon the gods may grant to someone without the my gawd likes me advantage, here are some good examples:
"Teleport all the fighters on map1 or map2 to the other half and then destroy that half of the map so we may slaughter each other more quickly."
"Have the rain turn into acid rain"
"Turn the lake into molten magma."
"Open a gate to hell so I can throw my enemies into it."
Essentially, the gods are most likely to grant boons that screw everyone over equally or make the battle more dangerous and exciting.
First and foremost, don't forget Jade has a -8 penalty on her diplomacy check due to energy drain.
Zeus and the other gawds are not in the business of simply protecting one fighter over another. Thus asking for healing or other boons that only benefit a single character aren't going to happen most likely. That's boring and unfair to the other fighters.
Zeus thinks that Jade and Martok are moral equals in their fighting tactics. Martok's tricks are powerful but have countermeasures that players can be expected to get such as true seeing (whch you have) and a good reflex save (for the trees) while Jade uses powerful tricks with few if any countermeasures (Quest and horn of blasting). Furthermore, Zeus admires bravery in the face of difficulty and not someone begging him for help. If Zeus truly cared about Jade or Therron's well being, he wouldn't have teleported them into the Arena in the first place.
If you wanted the gawds to give you special boons you should have taken the My gawd likes me advantage instead of the stand by me advantage. You will NOT have the benefits of two boons.
If you're wondering about what type of boon the gods may grant to someone without the my gawd likes me advantage, here are some good examples:
"Teleport all the fighters on map1 or map2 to the other half and then destroy that half of the map so we may slaughter each other more quickly."
"Have the rain turn into acid rain"
"Turn the lake into molten magma."
"Open a gate to hell so I can throw my enemies into it."
Essentially, the gods are most likely to grant boons that screw everyone over equally or make the battle more dangerous and exciting.
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clockworkjoe
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Also, I don't see why you're this angry about your turn. I just didn't give you something no one else would get without using up their special advantage. I'm not even bothering with trying to figure out if you can actually fly or not with that all extra encumbrance. Zeus didn't give you a restoration. that's it.
Victim
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Maturak's AMF is too wide on the y axis. It should stick out 2 squares from his instead of 3.
Would asking for Jade to be stricken mute, except for the verbal components of her spells be okay? Does she ever shut up? She's been in the arena an entire 42 seconds. In that time, she's babbled hundreds words. She's hasted, so I'm saying she can't talk that fast. But imagine how annoying it would be to hear, especially without haste speeding your perceptions.
Would asking for Jade to be stricken mute, except for the verbal components of her spells be okay? Does she ever shut up? She's been in the arena an entire 42 seconds. In that time, she's babbled hundreds words. She's hasted, so I'm saying she can't talk that fast. But imagine how annoying it would be to hear, especially without haste speeding your perceptions.
reapersaurus
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You asked, so I'll answer as succintly as I can.clockworkjoe said:
I'm angry because you are abusing your position, clockwork.
You are using the supposedly unbiased Gawds who you say are representatives of their alignments as instruments to get across your personal vendettas and biases.
That makes you look petty, and completely undercuts any facade of fairness you attempt to put up.
But that's been known for awhile, I guess.
But before, you stopped at simply being biased in House Rulings.
Now you've gone too far - actually having "Zeus" ridicule Jade, in character?!
For simply trying to survive? Hell, the only reason I had he ask for a boon is because you yourself said that we could do so awhile back.
But it's not good enough for him to just say "No", he's got to make himself look dumb by misinterpreting what Quest can do, and punishing her _again_ for it.
Remember, he already nerfed Quest, causing her to be crippled right after. Now, he also uses something he didn't allow as the reasoning to not help her?
For you (it's obviously not any attempt at portraying "Zeus") to compare Jade to Martok is frankly disgusting.
Berk is freakishly obsessed with killing Jade.
Jade is simply trying to survive.
How you can't see the difference there is kind of strange.
I will thank you, though, for not cussing or being personally insulting in your responses on this thread.
And I think that's it's good that you now clarified what kinds of boons might have a likelihood of being granted.
But please stop saying that "Zeus thinks that Jade and Martok are moral equals."
That's YOU, clockwork, and everyone knows it.
I understand that you don't like my style of play, or me, and you made that quite clear to me before the Game even started when you stripped so many things from my character build and insulted me.
But that's cool, I understand -
just stop trying to sugarcoat things, please.
Don't say it's Zeus when it's you, and please don't have Zeus make mistakes about how Quest works and use that as a reason to have him act against my characters.
And he not only didn't give Jade a Restoration (which would have been fine - I wasn't really expecting it, in hindsight) : "he" said "she" was begging, etc, and also prevented any other Gawds from having a problem with Martok's despicable actions (from other alignments' viewpoints).
You've already had other Gawd's help out some players.
You just had Zeus prevent the other Gawds from ever helping out Jade (not that I expected that to happen).
She did not get a 1 on the Diplomacy check, so he shouldn't have gotten a worse attitude towards her.
You also haven't punished Martok for being hated by the audience OR for violating Zeus' decree from the Quest (which by the rules he cannot ignore).
I did hope that you would be using your own guidelines for this Game to apply (that involving the crowd well would provide player benefits), but I guess those just won't apply when I do it successfully....
Anyway - no hard feelings, and just use your own voice if you want to say things about the game. Don't put your personal words into Zeus' mouth. We're adults (I think) and should be able to tell the difference between players and characters.
Don't blame me if you read this far - I'm just replying to your direct question. I don't twist a knife and force anyone to read my posts.
Please - if you don't like me talking about the Game, just ignore it.
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