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[Henadic Theologian]

It's not gone folks, they didn't mention every city states or nation in each region. Heck they didn't name any at all in some of them. Doesn't mean me say The Vast or Hartsvale has been eliminated. Those were blurbs not comprehensive lists of independent regional powers.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Eh, no. Narratively, dragonborn are literally aliens in the Realms

No, they ain’t, because that storyline was so dumb that it was erased from history.

Dragonborn have always lived in the Realms.

 

[Misanthrope Prime]

Eh, no. Narratively, dragonborn are literally aliens in the Realms. Unlike orcs, that are more ubiquitous, dragonborn actually came from another planet and had only two places were they come from in Faerûn (Tymanther and Returned Abeir). If they are in other places, is in the same way we saw in BG3 (a lone individual here and there, never in big numbers). So, erasing these places basically erases the dragonborn.

Greyhawk is different because Greyhawk never had an established lore about dragonborn. They can say "they always were there" without contradicting previous materials. But in FR is different.

You are aware that orcs also came from another planet, right? In fact they also first came to Toril in the old Empires; the orcs coming to Mulhorand and the Dragonborn coming to Unther aren't that different.

 

[Zeromaru X]

No, they ain’t, because that storyline was so dumb that it was erased from history.

Dragonborn have always lived in the Realms.

Citation needed

I doubt that very much. It's more likely they now count it as part of Unther given that Enlil, the Untherite Head God saved both of their biggest cities and many Dragonborn refugees, and they took in Untherites who'd left Gilgeam's forces. It's kind of taking on the flavour of a civil war between Untherite Gods.

Also note every Mulan God is gone from the list of Faerunian Gods, Sharess/Bast, Hoar/Assuran, Tiamat, Bahumut/Marduke all not on the list. We know Gilgeam and Enlil are around, but also not on the list. Could be seeing the rebirth of the Mulhorandi and Untherite Pantheons, or something stranger still, a unified Mulan Pantheon? Could more Mulan Gods get resurrected?

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They got plenty of attention in SCAG and there's art of Dragonborn all over this book. The Brimstone Angels series ended with a returned Enlil considering Dragonborn "his" chosen people, I wouldn't be surprised if Tymanther and Unther merged and the Dragonborn just make up a significant minority in Unther now.

The Old Empires are said to be ruled by living gods, and Enlil is the head of the Untheric pantheon, above Gilgeam, and he also has ties to Bahamut in some lore. I can't imagine the dragonborn being "wiped out" when their godly patron has control of an entire nation.

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• Zeromaru X

You are aware that orcs also came from another planet, right? In fact they also first came to Toril in the old Empires; the orcs coming to Mulhorand and the Dragonborn coming to Unther aren't that different.

Yeah, some orcs came from another planet, but there are others that are native from the Realms (mountain orcs). And also, the orcs from the other planet came in so many numbers and so long ago, that there has been plenty of time for them going native.

Dragonborn appeared just 100 years ago, and it was just a couple of cities. Wipe those cities out, and you basically extinct the race in Toril.

 

[Parmandur]

Eh, no. Narratively, dragonborn are literally aliens in the Realms. Unlike orcs, that are more ubiquitous, dragonborn actually came from another planet and had only two places were they come from in Faerûn (Tymanther and Returned Abeir). If they are in other places, is in the same way we saw in BG3 (a lone individual here and there, never in big numbers). So, erasing these places basically erases the dragonborn.

Greyhawk is different because Greyhawk never had an established lore about dragonborn. They can say "they always were there" without contradicting previous materials. But in FR is different.

Well, first thing...narratively Orcs are invaders from another planet in the FR.

Second thing, I don't see the map we have establishing that anything was destroyed.

 

[Parmandur]

I doubt that very much. It's more likely they now count it as part of Unther given that Enlil, the Untherite Head God saved both of their biggest cities and many Dragonborn refugees, and they took in Untherites who'd left Gilgeam's forces. It's kind of taking on the flavour of a civil war between Untherite Gods.

Also note every Mulan God is gone from the list of Faerunian Gods, Sharess/Bast, Hoar/Assuran, Tiamat, Bahumut/Marduke all not on the list. We know Gilgeam and Enlil are around, but also not on the list. Could be seeing the rebirth of the Mulhorandi and Untherite Pantheons, or something stranger still, a unified Mulan Pantheon? Could more Mulan Gods get resurrected?

I doubt we will see any reference at all to real world gods...which means it will be interesting to see what they do say about the Muln culture and government.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

I doubt we will see any reference at all to real world gods...which means it will be interesting to see what they do say about the Muln culture and government.

Tyr is still listed.

 

[Misanthrope Prime]

I doubt we will see any reference at all to real world gods...which means it will be interesting to see what they do say about the Muln culture and government.

It's stated that Chessenta, Mulhorand and Unther are ruled by "living gods"; part of me wonders if they may retcon the Mulhorandi and Untheric pantheons to no longer be literally from Earth. I also wonder if the Greek gods are going to pop up in Chessenta, or if Tchazzar somehow became a living god again and took over the whole country.

 

[Parmandur]

Tyr is still listed.

Forgotten Realms Tyr does not bear a strong similarity to RW Norse Tyr. FR Horus is a different matter...

 

[Zeromaru X]

Well, first thing...narratively Orcs are invaders from another planet in the FR.

Do not cite the deep magic to me, I'm a contributor of the Forgotten Realms Wiki, lmao. Gray orcs were the only outsider orcs that came from another world. The rest of Orckind is native. Mountain orcs are mentioned as existing in the Realms since the time of the Creator Races (Grand History of the Realms) .