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Beauty and the D&D Geek!

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Whizbang Dustyboots said:
Sheesh, guys, it's comedy.
Well obviously you're a fan of the show so I'm not going to rip on your show ;)

I understand it's a comedy yadda yadda yadda. I'm not an uptight person and I get the point of something when it's thrown in my face. What annoyed me was that once again, D&D is used to show how a person is a nerd. It's an overused stereotype and an easy way to prove someone is a geek. As I said, those girls needed appropriate titles as they apparently gave the guys :p

What I don't like is how D&D is always viewed like that which makes it harder for new people to get interested in it. I've tried to get a lot of people interested in D&D and it takes a lot of work convincing them that it doesn't have to be a dorky hobby. Grab some beers and some snacks and it can be just as "cool" as poker night. The reason 85% of the people I've tried getting into the game didn't play is because they thought it was for immature dorks. They can tell girls they're going out on Friday night with the guys to smoke cigars and play poker...but they wouldn't want to tell girls they're going out on Friday nights to play D&D. It'll ruin their image. :confused: And why's that? Cause the media does things like calling guys a geek and point out that he's a dungeon master. It gets old.
 

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Oryan77 said:
Well obviously you're a fan of the show
I'm not a fan of the show.

What annoyed me was that once again, D&D is used to show how a person is a nerd. It's an overused stereotype and an easy way to prove someone is a geek.
These guys applied to be on the show. If, as was said, there's nothing else geeky about him, he probably pushed the D&D angle himself.

What I don't like is how D&D is always viewed like that which makes it harder for new people to get interested in it.
D&D wouldn't happen to be viewed like that because so many players ARE geeky, would it? For every Vin Diesel, there's 100 guys in ill-fitting black t-shirts with questionable hygiene and neckbeards.

Your frustration should be focused on them, not for the low-rated TV show that happens to tweak an existing stereotype.

And why's that? Cause the media does things like calling guys a geek and point out that he's a dungeon master.
If the media all decided tomorrow that D&D was the coolest, hippest thing ever, it would work for about all of two seconds, when John and Jane Q. Public walked into the FLGS and got to listen to a discussion of whether Drizzt could kill a Predator.

You're blaming the messenger for the message.
 



And it might not end with that season either- one of my friends went to the Boston casting call for next season's run, and he very specifically played up his gaming hobby (and astronomy and physics degrees) to increase his chances.
 

Whizbang Dustyboots said:
You're blaming the messenger for the message.
And you're replying with hissy-fit like posts why exactly? Of course I'm blaming the messenger. That's the whole reason I posted this thread. It was supposed to be taken light-hearted until you came in throwing a fit simply because I was annoyed about a stupid show. Chill out man. You're taking it way too seriously and you're trying to argue a point that has nothing to do with the topic just for the chance to argue online.

Yes, they applied to be on the show. Yes, the guy told them he's a DM. That doesn't make it any less annoying that D&D is used to show how a person is a geek. Argue about that all you want, but it's still annoying that a "messenger" used D&D as a way to show what makes a person a nerd.

If it makes you feel better...I also blame those players. I never said I didn't. But my reasons for the thread wasn't to blast the players that make gamers look bad. Basically, I just wanted to give those girls appropriate titles like they did with the Dungeon Master ;)
 

Oryan77 said:
And you're replying with hissy-fit like posts why exactly?
Er, I haven't.

Of course I'm blaming the messenger. That's the whole reason I posted this thread. It was supposed to be taken light-hearted until you came in throwing a fit simply because I was annoyed about a stupid show. Chill out man. You're taking it way too seriously and you're trying to argue a point that has nothing to do with the topic just for the chance to argue online.
I haven't thrown a fit and I'm not disagreeing with you for the sake of disagreeing with you; I'm disagreeing with your point.

Please don't put words in my mouth simply because I disagree with you.

I'm responding to this in a perfectly fine sense of humor.

If it makes you feel better...I also blame those players. I never said I didn't. But my reasons for the thread wasn't to blast the players that make gamers look bad. Basically, I just wanted to give those girls appropriate titles like they did with the Dungeon Master ;)
Again, they're calling a college student a "shot girl," which is a step down from Hooters girl.
 

Well, to be honest the stereotype is there for a reason. I think maybe you've been spoiled by ENWorld and your current group- I know I have. ENWorld tends to have the higher-functioning gamers posting here- the ones NOT living in momma's basement, with a job, education, social life, and who don't blatantly display mental illness. My group consists mostly of friends I met in high school or college. We have an aeronautical engineer, computer systems specialist, divisional manager of a credit card company, ad exec for Bass Pro, social worker (ad exec's wife), media coordinator for a local TV station, psychology grad student (my sister), and professor of neuroscience (me). None of us have ever been diagnosed with mental illnesses, we all have professional jobs, social lives, friends outside gaming, and relationships that are much better than the average American's (meaning no cheating drama, screaming fights, etc). Yes, we all tend to act goofy and make nerdy references when we get together, but we aren't ashamed of being geeks- we're comfortable with who we are, and don't care what others think of us.

A few years ago a couple in our group moved to Phoenix AZ, and we were looking for one or two new gamers. On a whim, I put an ad in at a local game store, after being advised by the owner "careful what you wish for". Wow, what an eye-opener. I've been spoiled by my friends and gaming group- we ran into a LOT of real nut-jobs, mentally unstable people, and many were of the unwashed gamer geek stereotype. I'd say for every 20 people we talked to, only ONE was someone I'd associate with, and we did finally pick up one guy whose schedule and gaming preferences matched ours. He was overjoyed to be with us, saying he'd moved to the area a few years ago (he's the media coordinator), and was shocked at how hard it was to find "normal" gamers who wheren't psycho, obsess on gaming 24/7, and who didn't have mental ilness and/or severe social problems.

Gamers who tend to get noticed by the public are the ones who are the stereotypical unwashed, horrible hygeine, neckbeard, quasi-goths who have horrible social skills and stick out like a sore thumb in normal society. Many people in my group keep their gaming quiet at work- only me and the computer systems specialist freely admit and talk about gaming to non-gamers. Most people react with surprise when they find out we game because we don't fit the preconceived stereotype, and several students at my university have asked to join my group or form a new one. And far from being ridiculed for gaming, I've found people open up to the idea of gaming once they knew a few "normal" gamers- not to mention that a lot of the young women in college are open to the idea of gaming as long as the guy doesn't give them the "creepy" vibe. (And no, I don't fraternize with students- both due to my university's policy and ethical reasons).

As for why gaming draws so many of the unwashed geek stereotype- I don't know, and thats probably a discussion better left to another thread. I have a strong suspicion that a lot of the "normal geeks" out there do what we do- band together in tight groups and don't tend to float around a lot to different gaming groups with the exception of the occasional convention, while the unwashed geeks tend to creep people out, never get accepted into a stable group, and hang out in gaming stores grousing and freaking out walk-in customers and women who go in. If thats who the Average Joe thinks of when he thinks gamer, then its no wonder we have a negative public image.
 

Whizbang Dustyboots said:
Again, they're calling a college student a "shot girl," which is a step down from Hooters girl.
That was the only title from the girls that I saw that looked remotely embarassing. None of us knew exactly what a shot girl is. My guess was they meant she's one of those bimbos that lay on the bar and let people drink shots from her bellybutton. Is that what they're referring to?
 

Whizbang Dustyboots said:
First off, everyone on the show are volunteers. Ashton Kutcher did not beat anyone up, take their milk money and then drag them by their wedgied underwear onto the show.

Ooo! Oo! Can I try too? OK, *ahem*. "I never said they weren't, and I never said he did!" :)

-DM Jeff
 

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