Bell Spells, Would they Float?

[Virsconte]

I guess my original plan was to get what are effectively permanent convenience spells (read magic, comprehend language, water walking/breathing) as well as somewhat more powerful abilities (tenser's transformation, nightstalker's transformation, wall of stone, expiditious retreat) without having to deal with spell slot usage or ASF. I do appreciate the feedback though.

 

[Theroc]

I guess my original plan was to get what are effectively permanent convenience spells (read magic, comprehend language, water walking/breathing) as well as somewhat more powerful abilities (tenser's transformation, nightstalker's transformation, wall of stone, expiditious retreat) without having to deal with spell slot usage or ASF. I do appreciate the feedback though.

Some of those lesser spells can be made permenant via Permanency, I believe.

 

[Herzog]

Counteract ASF with Still Spell.

No Somatic Component=No ASF.

Counteract availability of usefull spells with Spell Storing Ring or simmilar items, create scrolls, wands, staffs of the magic you require, or even Wondrous Items that do what you want.

 

[Deset Gled]

[*COLOR=white][*FONT=Verdana][*COLOR=white][*FONT=Verdana]Hi folks, this is my first time posting in the forums and indeed my first campaign, so I was wondering if I could get some advice from the more experienced members of the forum.[/*FONT][/*COLOR]

[*COLOR=white][*FONT=Verdana]Anyways, I am playing a heavily armored Wizard/Fighter and I was not sure how to overcome the inherent spell faliure of full plate, so I looked through the spells sections in the books I borrowed from my group. When reading through one of the forgotten realms books, I stumbled across a metamagic feat called contingency. Here is an exerpt:[/*FONT][/*COLOR]

First, since you are new to the boards, please note that there are alternate skins. I (and others) use Stealth skin, which has a white background. When you make your text white, it is difficult for me to read it.

Second, you are going very far out of your way to bypass ASF. There are many ways to get around it that don't require the wish-bending you're trying to push through. You can use wands or staffs to get rid of the somatic component, or use Still Spell. You can use bard levels as casting levels, since bards can cast in light armor without ASF. You can use a prestige class that converts somatic components to material components (there is one in Races of Stone designed for dwarves that uses runes, and another in Complete Arcane designed for a wiccan feel that uses candles). Or you can just suck it up and use lighter armor, possibly coupled with a feat or enhancement that lowers the ASF.

 

[Virsconte]

Firstly, I'm sorry about the skin problems, I'll have to check out the other skins some time here. Secondly, maybe I should explain my motivation for wanting such a completely unnecessary and roundabout way of counteracting ASF and spell memorization. My character is evil, but unintentionally so. I used sleep on a bunch of bystanders in a fight, and I happened to be saddled with a book which shoots cones of fire. The rest is history. Anyway, my alignment is now in direct conflict with that of the rest of the group, and the DM is nixing me experience for doing good acts. Therefore, I wanted to find a way to gain somewhat unbalanced powers and then retire the character as a villain.

 

[freyar]

Firstly, I'm sorry about the skin problems, I'll have to check out the other skins some time here. Secondly, maybe I should explain my motivation for wanting such a completely unnecessary and roundabout way of counteracting ASF and spell memorization. My character is evil, but unintentionally so. I used sleep on a bunch of bystanders in a fight, and I happened to be saddled with a book which shoots cones of fire. The rest is history. Anyway, my alignment is now in direct conflict with that of the rest of the group, and the DM is nixing me experience for doing good acts. Therefore, I wanted to find a way to gain somewhat unbalanced powers and then retire the character as a villain.

Wow, I don't think I like that DM's interpretation of alignment. First off, that sounds like an accident. Second, one act, unless unspeakably vile, shouldn't have changed your alignment to evil. Finally, if you're doing good acts, then he should note that your alignment is either G or N, which shouldn't be a problem unless you're a blackguard or something. Can't you get an atonement and go good? Or commit hari kari (sp?) to retire the PC permanently?

 

[SolosAddie]

Wow, I don't think I like that DM's interpretation of alignment. First off, that sounds like an accident. Second, one act, unless unspeakably vile, shouldn't have changed your alignment to evil. Finally, if you're doing good acts, then he should note that your alignment is either G or N, which shouldn't be a problem unless you're a blackguard or something. Can't you get an atonement and go good? Or commit hari kari (sp?) to retire the PC permanently?

i agree with freyar, with that explanation, i think it's natural for a pc character to strive to change back to good or neutral, and reducing xp for trying to accomplish that is stupid.

It's like your DM saying once a good person falls from grace, they can never come back from that.

 

[Ffaelfarrin]

Reducing ASF...
Well, I'd aim for a mithral Full Plate (35%-10%=25% ASF; mithral of anything that works just like it, like glassteel and the like), enchant it with the "twilight" special ability (reduces the ASF by another 10%) and add a level of SpellSword (CW) for another 10% reduce of ASF (and, of course, a nifty full BAB progression plus spell progression )
This brings you down to a mere 5% ASF.

Forthermore, SRD says:

You can use only one contingency spell at a time; if a second is cast, the first one (if still active) is dispelled

I dont know if I missed anything, but more than one use of Contingency would not work. So your concept stalls even before the divine intervention, does it not?

 

[Jack Simth]

I dont know if I missed anything, but more than one use of Contingency would not work. So your concept stalls even before the divine intervention, does it not?

As I understand it, he's actually looking at the feat Craft Contingent Spell, rather than the spell Contingency. That aspect doesn't actually apply in his specific case.

 

[Ffaelfarrin]

Yea, I knew i missed something. Just overread that "metamagic feat" part
Thanks!