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5E Best Name For A “Leader” Class?

Best name?

  • Herald

    Votes: 7 7.1%
  • Banneret

    Votes: 3 3.0%
  • Captain

    Votes: 17 17.2%
  • Warlord

    Votes: 25 25.3%
  • Marshal

    Votes: 37 37.4%
  • Mark

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Other - let us know!

    Votes: 12 12.1%
  • Commander

    Votes: 18 18.2%
  • Warden

    Votes: 8 8.1%
  • Sentinel

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    99
Usually, one player steps forward the call for votes and brings players back on mission point from tangents outside the GM. That's my experience at any rate. It is often based on the character they play as much as the GM know those are often a refection of each other. However, I have seen the leader shift from player to player depending on characters
Players have the same personalities, whatever class they play. It's a bigger issue than just which player tends to be more assertive, really, but not really relevant.

Enough that its ban by most of the GM I have played with for that very reason.
I've heard no complaints about the Noble background being conflated with party leadership - either at the table nor around here - but if that's where you're coming from, well, ban the things you need to ban.

Unlike the 5e Noble background, though, the explanation of the leader role made it perfectly clear it did not imply, let alone require, party leadership.
 
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ClaytonCross

Kinder reader Inflection wanted
Which means you read very little of the thread and actually do not know what is referenced.
No, it means I object to the principal of naming any class or subclass under the scope of leader. I get 4e leader and healer... bla bla. The problem I have is the leadership association by a single players choice. The stated goal is to continue a skill set and all the names listed are "Leader" titles... warlord, commander.. in a party your not the commander of your party because you pick a subclass.

So like Tony Vargas said, "Leader is problematic as a way of saying "Support oriented class," because it implies (no matter how clearly you may state otherwise up-front) 'leading' the other PCs, and, by extension, their players. "

The "Leader" and all the titles suggested for it all depict leaders.... something like "Power Emissary" would be better for a class the supports and buffs its allies. Mastermind is the closest thing listed but even so it still sounds like someone controlling the party and that name is taken.
 

Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
Unlike the 5e Noble background, though, the explanation of the leader role made it perfectly clear it did not imply, let alone require, party leadership.
I am sure all the Clerics demand your characters worship their gods and pay them proper respect for their role as the most important characters in any medieval world. The ones without whom the King cannot claim validity.
 

I am sure all the Clerics demand your characters worship their gods and pay them proper respect for their role as the most important characters in any medieval world. The ones without whom the King cannot claim validity.
Nod, there's been numerous instances of backgrounds, feats, PPs/EDs/PrCs/level-titles implying authority, position, and/or leadership (generally of NPCs, FWIW), from 5e on back to the early game.
 

ClaytonCross

Kinder reader Inflection wanted
Players have the same personalities, whatever class they play. It's a bigger issue than just which player tends to be more assertive, really, but not really relevant.


I've heard no complaints about the Noble background being conflated with party leadership - either at the table nor around here - but if that's where you're coming from, well, ban the things you need to ban.

Unlike the 5e Noble background, though, the explanation of the leader role made it perfectly clear it did not imply, let alone require, party leadership.
Leader is problematic as a way of saying "Support oriented class," because it implies (no matter how clearly you may state otherwise up-front) 'leading' the other PCs, and, by extension, their players.
… You have been saying the same thing as me.... Anything named so that it sounds like a leader will taken as a granting a leadership roll to the player despite the intent of the class / subclass.
 

… You have been saying the same thing as me....
Different context, much earlier in the thread, and different conclusion.

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(Like anyone would willingly take up cat-herding that way.)
The concept can work, and quite well, it's the implication of position, rank, or legitimate authority that should be avoided.

It's a problem with hypothetical class names like Captain or Commander.
 

ClaytonCross

Kinder reader Inflection wanted
Nod, there's been numerous instances of backgrounds, feats, PPs/EDs/PrCs/level-titles implying authority, position, and/or leadership (generally of NPCs, FWIW), from 5e on back to the early game.
The thing is "background" implies its in the past and "Inspiring Leader" may initially feel like it grants a leadership but players read it and realize its just a speech that inspires for a bonus. Classes and Sub classes carry different weight. For example, even experienced players who have not played a warlock before often come to the table with hexblade warlock wielding a legendary sword (their supposed patron) and when its noticed and asked why they think they get that they say "I am hexblade, this is my patron"... to which we tell them time and time again... no where in the hexblade class does is say you get an artifact weapon ever... infact you don't get a weapon from the class at all and could be a very effective pact of the tomb caster never touching a melee weapon in the entire campaign but using hex worrier for just for better armor and a shield.

My point is naming class/subclasses with loaded names is far more dangerous to players who don't read every line of the text before building a character. Flavor or otherwise. I can't tell you how many player I have seen who didn't read anything past level 3 for there character and didn't read the flavor text. It just creates misunderstands. Warlord backgound can work if they are clear backgrounds are the past, the warlord/leader etc class will be picked for a cool name and cause problems later.
 

My point is naming class/subclasses with loaded names is far more dangerous to players who don't read every line of the text before building a character. Flavor or otherwise
That's a fairly trivial concern - even "Marshal," above, isn't as potentially problematic, that way as sub-classes right in the PH, like Thief (steal from your own party!) & Assassin.
 

Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
Nod, there's been numerous instances of backgrounds, feats, PPs/EDs/PrCs/level-titles implying authority, position, and/or leadership (generally of NPCs, FWIW), from 5e on back to the early game.
Remember if you play with Lawful stupid Paladins to blame the class... its definitely the games fault
 

ClaytonCross

Kinder reader Inflection wanted
... it's the implication of position, rank, or legitimate authority that should be avoided.

It's a problem with hypothetical class names like Captain or Commander.
That's not different context... that's exactly what I am saying. In the context I am saying it in. Oo
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Something like "Power Emissary" or "Tactician" would make way more since for a support class. Nothing that implies leadership is a good idea for class or subclass. A Tactician could be a leader, an adviser / support while warlord, captain, commander, warden, and Marshal all imply leadership.

Best Name For A “Leader” Class? - Should not be in the game.

Best Name For a support class designed after the 4e "Leader"? might be Tactician or something along those lines.
 

Hurin88

Explorer
Herald feels like Bard type to be honest perhaps one of those that dips into prophecy :p
A 'Herald' was someone who was subordinate to a higher commander -- a herald was often literally a standard-bearer (i.e. carrying someone else's standard) and that doesn't always fit. Lord of the Rings Online negotiated this by having the 'Captain' class get a pet standard-bearer.

Later in the Middle Ages, Herald was also used for the referees at tournaments/battles and the record-keepers, neither of which really fit either, at least imho. That sounds more like Bard work.
 

ClaytonCross

Kinder reader Inflection wanted
Remember if you play with Lawful stupid Paladins to blame the class... its definitely the games fault
Fair point, but you make that point because it happens. Is it not better to attempt to avoid inviting the pain? There is almost always a new player or an old player playing a new class at any given table. Expectations created by players not reading and understanding the class (example hexblades, pladins, etc) can't be eliminated but when you can see them from miles away because of past examples, why would you willing turn car striate down the tracks toward that on coming train?
 

That's not different context... that's exactly what I am saying. In the context I am saying it in. Oo
Hey,,you looked far enough back to find the quote, look at what led to it.

The context was that "Leader" was not a potential class name, but a term used in 4e....

Best Name For A “Leader” Class? -

Best Name For a support class designed after the 4e "Leader"?
Same question, but try getting the OP to change a thread title... ;)

Something like "Power Emissary" or "Tactician" would make way more since for a support class.
The former is just weird, the latter far too narrow - a reasonable sub-class.

Nothing that implies leadership is a good idea for class or subclass.
Excessive.

Leadership can just be skill/talent (perfectly appropriate for a PC), and needn't require position or authority (potentially problematic in some groups or campaigns).

Inspiring Leader isn't problematic, for instance, neither is Warlord, as the definition eschews legitimate authority & evokes genre.

Noble, Captain, Commander, Marshal, etc, potentially have the issue, but, even then, it wasn't enough to get the Noble cut from the PH.
 
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Garthanos

Arcadian Knight
A 'Herald' was someone who was subordinate to a higher commander -- a herald was often literally a standard-bearer (i.e. carrying someone else's standard) and that doesn't always fit. Lord of the Rings Online negotiated this by having the 'Captain' class get a pet standard-bearer.
Yes the master of heraldry whose job is to announce the nobles status with authority and assure all know it. Of course, the note on prophecy was to bring it full round the mythic bards of Celtic heritage where indeed not just keepers of history but foretellers of dooms. Note the Herald of such and such could definitely be a priest title too. You are the voice of X you are the herald foretelling the return of such and such or similar things.
 




Leader of what? Military? Fighter.
What about the 5e Fighter makes it a competent 'Leader' in the sense of military rank?
(Quite apart from the fact that literally any PC can take the Soldier background and have a military rank.(And doubly quite apart from the fact that's not how the OP used 'Leader.'))

Certainly, not the images in commonly evokes in the mainstream:

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