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5E Better Leonin

Leatherhead

Possibly a Idiot.
I like the +2 con if only because it's not +dex or +cha.

We could really do with more +int races, but that doesn't seem particularly "lionish".
 

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Benjamin Olson

Adventurer
Its a longset fantasy thing. In D&D alone Tortles and various forms of cat and dog people date back to 1E. Tortles and Aarakocra especially have their fans as well, and Dragonborn definitely fill a niche that older races weren't filling
There being tribes of dog-headed people off at the edge of the world was a common Greco-Roman mythological belief (leading, bizarrely, to the belief that St. Christopher was one). But yes, most of this sort of stuff is very much fantasy at it's cheesiest and something you either really love or really hate or just kind of don't see the point of.
 

Lions themselves aren’t that charismatic, though. More than tigers, sure, being more social, but they’re still territorial jerks.

And there are plenty of Cha races already.

But most importantly, Cha isn’t needed to be proud, Noble, etc. They can intimidate with strength at most tables, and their story in the world they come from is more important than a generalized idea of what lions represent.
Not meant to represent lions. But what they symbolize. More people should use variant skill checks.
 


doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
Not meant to represent lions. But what they symbolize. More people should use variant skill checks.
Eh, the race isn’t meant to represent what lions symbolically represent in western iconography.

Hobestly, you’d have gotten less tangential argument had you just called it an alternate take, rather than claiming improvement.
 

Eh, the race isn’t meant to represent what lions symbolically represent in western iconography.

Hobestly, you’d have gotten less tangential argument had you just called it an alternate take, rather than claiming improvement.
The Theros leonin exists. These are not meant to be those. Inverted commas have been used in a subsequent post.
 






Eyes of Nine

Everything's Fine
You know, if the big hanging point is the +2Str and +1Con, you can do what I do.

Simply say PCs are incredibly special members of their race (that's part of why they are adventurers) and not necessarily representative of the race as a whole. [I'll mention, but choose not to discuss the concept of races being pigeonholed due to their ability scores and why it's problematic.]

As such, they can have +2 in any one ability, and +1 in any other ability.

+2STR +1CON Gnome? Bring it on (I had a player playing this combo as a Barbarian in my campaign).
+2CHA +1INT Half-Orc? Yes please.
+2WIS +1CHA Goblin? Oh my goodness - how awesome!
etc etc.
So you can get Gnome Barbarians, Half-Orc Wizards, Firbolg Rogues, and Goblin Paladins - who do not HAVE to choose sub-optimal mechanical play for the sake of character concept.

And vumans are banned.
 

doctorbadwolf

Heretic of The Seventh Circle
You know, if the big hanging point is the +2Str and +1Con, you can do what I do.

Simply say PCs are incredibly special members of their race (that's part of why they are adventurers) and not necessarily representative of the race as a whole. [I'll mention, but choose not to discuss the concept of races being pigeonholed due to their ability scores and why it's problematic.]

As such, they can have +2 in any one ability, and +1 in any other ability.

+2STR +1CON Gnome? Bring it on (I had a player playing this combo as a Barbarian in my campaign).
+2CHA +1INT Half-Orc? Yes please.
+2WIS +1CHA Goblin? Oh my goodness - how awesome!
etc etc.
So you can get Gnome Barbarians, Half-Orc Wizards, Firbolg Rogues, and Goblin Paladins - who do not HAVE to choose sub-optimal mechanical play for the sake of character concept.

And vumans are banned.
Wait why ban variant humans?
 



Fenris-77

Small God of the Dozens
Supporter
Ahh, the Baconblood and the Ravenous. Enemies of old locked in a timeless battle.
 



Mecheon

Adventurer
I have no probs with Spellscales.
I don't think anyone really had a problem with them, but Spellscales were another step on the "Y'know, in this game about Dungeons and Dragons there probably should be a way to play something linked to dragons" that did not catch on in the slightest
 

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