D&D 5E Better Leonin

[Mecheon]

Fits in better with the lion symbology.

I mean, I'd argue for lion symbology I'd probably do Wis/Str as their stats rather than Con.

 

[Xenonnonex]

I mean, I'd argue for lion symbology I'd probably do Wis/Str as their stats rather than Con.

Lions could represent all of that.
In fact. You could give them Cha +1, Str +1, Wis +1. As another take.

 

[Charlaquin]

Again, I point to the potential extra +1 Threos PCs can get, which can stack with a +2, allowing a point buy character to start with an 18.

I don’t have the book yet, so I was unaware of this. That said, I assume this free feat is available to all races, and wouldn’t necessarily be available in a non-Theros game, so it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to factor it into an analysis of the race.

I mean, I'd argue for lion symbology I'd probably do Wis/Str as their stats rather than Con.

That actually seems like a great fit for Leonin to me.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

I don’t have the book yet, so I was unaware of this. That said, I assume this free feat is available to all races, and wouldn’t necessarily be available in a non-Theros game, so it doesn’t make a whole lot of sense to factor it into an analysis of the race.

Depends on your setting philosophy. I tend to see races as specific to a setting, special rules and all, and probably wouldn't allow those races in a different setting.

That actually seems like a great fit for Leonin to me.

Symbolism is in the mind of the beholder. A bully who steals other people's food and then spends most of their time sleeping is a better fit for my concept of "lion".

 

[Mecheon]

Depends on your setting philosophy. I tend to see races as specific to a setting, special rules and all, and probably wouldn't allow those races in a different setting.

Leonin I can see people limiting because they're very much tied to MtG (But I mean, lion-man is a generic enough concept I wouldn't think most people would mind them being around and they're a lot less impressive than Tabaxi), but satyrs are, well, satyrs. They're in most settings as fey

Symbolism is in the mind of the beholder. A bully who steals other people's food and then spends most of their time sleeping is a better fit for my concept of "lion".

We're talking the symbolic lion. If we were talking actual lions, well, they'd have pluses to intimidate. Also gnolls would have been playable long before them and be far nicer

 

[Xenonnonex]

Symbolism is in the mind of the beholder. A bully who steals other people's food and then spends most of their time sleeping is a better fit for my concept of "lion".

Clearly not the symbolism people are talking about. The lion in cultural symbolism. Look that up.

 

[Paul Farquhar]

Clearly not the symbolism people are talking about. The lion in cultural symbolism. Look that up.

There are lots of different symbolic meanings, depending on your culture. But it's irrelevant - the races are not based on "symbolism" or satyrs would be rapists.

 

[Xenonnonex]

There are lots of different symbolic meanings, depending on your culture. But it's irrelevant - the races are not based on "symbolism" or satyrs would be rapists.

Symbolism is there to serve as creative inspiration. Troubling aspects should not be incorporated. This should not be spelt out to you. But do whatever you feel like.

 

[DEFCON 1]

I thought the complaint was always that there weren't enough melee characters being played because Dexterity was so good of a stat? So they go and create another race to help inspire people to play melee warriors and now the complaint is that they should have a high Charisma... thereby guaranteeing we'd see a whole new set of Warlock/Sorcerer/Bard multiclasses that make no story sense and are done purely for the mechanical min-maxing of staying in the back and throwing all kinds of weirdly boosted Eldritch Blasts?

 

[Fenris-77]

There are lots of different symbolic meanings, depending on your culture. But it's irrelevant - the races are not based on "symbolism" or satyrs would be rapists.

So? No one suggested that all races be changed on this basis. This is just one person's opinion of what better represents their vision of what a lion-folk race should look like. Are you suggesting that better realizing what he wants out of the game is badwrongfun somehow? I'm not sure what the value is in telling someone that their reasoning for wanting to change the game to suit their needs is irrelevant.