Blog post on the feel of D&D (marmell, reynolds et all)

Wolfspider said:
Did they happen to take a copy of the original AD&D Monster Manual with them?

If so, that might explain this phenomenon.... :o
Would it help you that the host of our games usually has gun books and historical warfare books lying in his bath?

And does this mean I now have to buy a AD&D Monster Manual to find what the fuss is all about? ;)
 

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JeDiWiker said:
So, while ideas, mechanics, and, naming conventions from other games may be brilliant bits of game design, when they appear in D&D, I'm reminded of those other games. (In fact, I recall using the expressions "tap" and "untap" during our demo game, and at one point saying "F4" and miming pressing a button on my keyboard when activating one of my character's "at will" powers.)

I'm not on any bandwagon to jump on your back, in fact, I've lurked this thread because I didn't really draw the same 'anti-anything' conclusions that other posters drew from your blog, but I would like to know a little more about this part of your post.

You miming pressing 'F4' sounds like you're jaded by your video game experience, and can't see how the innovations (or borrowing, whatever) of 4E might be a really *great* thing for the game. That's just one interpretation anyway.

I've had players at my table that correlated every plot, character or scene with a movie, or a book, or a meme, and were too often interested in metathinking the whole game, and then wanting to discuss the similarities. I'm not saying you're anything like this, just pointing out how your comment reminds me of this one player. His interaction with my game at my table was indicative that he was a 'casual roleplayer'.

You would get a very stern look from me, if you did that at my table. Maybe once is funny, but more often would show disinterest. To which, I would encourage you (for both our sakes) to find a more interesting group or activity. Because frankly, you're wrecking it for me.

Sure, I can agree that big name stars would have changed the feel of LotR for some, but there were other actors in that movie which I did recognize. Guess what? It didn't wreck it for me, because I *wanted* to be entertained. I remember once (only once) an uncle in my family dressed up as Santa. I was pretty little, and after the novelty wore off, I realized it was my uncle. But it was still a lot of fun to pretend it wasn't.

It's clear to me that 4E is trying to move into a more pulpy sort of theme with D&D, and realizes that players are more interested in pretending that there characters are facing hoards of foes and swinging from chandaliers, than they are managing their wealth level, or dealing with the artificial 'daily recharge' pacing which we found in 3.x. I think that's a good thing. If I wanted to spend time tabulating wealth level, I'll do that at tax time, not at the game table.

From a story telling perspective, 4E introduces a clever design element that will be very good in assisting DM's in creating enjoyable adventures. I've seen less of the actual game than you, but from what I've read, 4E is training the DM to look at gameplay as scenes in a movie. While the 'artificiality' of a 'coffee break' mechanic may seem absurd to some, from a story telling perspective, it's awesome. After a combat, saying you 'catch your breath' is all that is necessary to link the previous scene to the next set of activities. Really needing to know what happened in that five minutes takes you down the same avenue of metathinking as the eternal question of a bygone era - 'Why did none of the old school maps have bathrooms'? The best answer is always 'Who cares' were not going to roleplay that!

Sorry for the rant man. I think you're great, but I'm wondering if you (and others in this forum) just gotta loosen your grip a little on this whole thing.
 
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JeDiWiker said:
Feel free to ignore my advice. Buy 4th Edition the moment it comes out, throw away your old rulebooks, and hold parades in honor of the designers. Whatever floats your boat. I, personally, intend to approach it considerably more cautiously (much the way I did with Windows Vista, Area 51: Blacksite, and Scientology): I'll read *impartial* reviews (assuming I can find any), I'll talk to my FLGS about whether they've seen numerous returns, and I'll talk to people who have tastes similar to mine and see what *they* think of the game.

You are right, that you should not sells your 3.5 books.
You are right, that you should read through the book before you buy it.
You are right that you should ask people with similar taste as you before you buy it.
And you are right, that wizard could really have given out more information by now...

But: if noone buys it first, there is noone to ask.

A good idea is: buy or borrow one book for the whole group (or even for several groups), try it out for yourself with the complete rule set...

For what we know, most of it sounds great. But I think so much is left out, and i formed a very distinct opinion about how rituals, crafting and several other things we know very little of should be implemented. If the actual rules are worse, i could easily be turned off...
 

Mustrum_Ridcully said:
And does this mean I now have to buy a AD&D Monster Manual to find what the fuss is all about? ;)

Well, unless you are a 12 year old boy who is going through confusing changes, I doubt that the AD&D Monster Manual would hold much interest for you--at least in terms of artwork.
 

Wolfspider said:
Well, unless you are a 12 year old boy who is going through confusing changes, I doubt that the AD&D Monster Manual would hold much interest for you--at least in terms of artwork.
Never overestimate my mental maturity! :o

But - I have the internet these days... I guess I won't need the AD&D Monster Manual after all... ;)
 


Moon-Lancer said:
I think the only true, educated and honest opinion one can have with limited exposure is a "wait and see" . we don't know alot about 4e, so lets just wait and see.

I realize this opinion doesn't work well in a discussion though, and isn't nearly as fun, so continue, please. :heh:

call me crazy
Okay, you're crazy! ;)

But so am I...because I agree with you. "Wait and see" is where I'm at until I have the books in my hands.

Sure, I'm somewhat worried about 4e not being what I want it to be, but at this point...having no frame of reference but what I have gleaned online...who's to say whether my worry is justified or not.
 

hong said:
I'm coming over Wolfspider RIGHT NOW, if you know what I mean, and I think you do.

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erisred said:
Sure, I'm somewhat worried about 4e not being what I want it to be, but at this point...having no frame of reference but what I have gleaned online...who's to say whether my worry is justified or not.

I feel the same way about the great New York earthquake of 2020.
 

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