Bonded objects and familiars. Are they balanced?

[Scott DeWar]

Kings and queen tend to be arrogant and worth every CP. Things like the council chambers should be held in an anti-magic room. Seriously. Why wouldn't they believe their lives are more important than everyone else's life in the entire kingdom? Generally, their health and welfare means the stability of their domain.

by the statement above i t appears that you have a stand of a neutral state on the issue. just out of curiosity, and maybe just a little bit of fun, what is your stance. Are the Regal personages worth more then the serfs?

 

[TanisFrey]

by the statement above i t appears that you have a stand of a neutral state on the issue. just out of curiosity, and maybe just a little bit of fun, what is your stance. Are the Regal personages worth more then the serfs?

In a feudal midevil setting, Yes the Knight is worth more than the Serf. The Baron in more than the Knight. The Duke is more than the Baron and the King and his family are worth every thing else. So yes the Regal personages are worth more that the serfs.

 

[Scott DeWar]

but the king starves without the serf and will have to take up the sword at eveery turn of a new day with out the night. Are they not worth a great value for those exampels?

 

[dmccoy1693]

Are the Regal personages worth more then the serfs?

This is off topic, but is a bit of fun. My own stance is that some people think far to highly of themselves. It just so happens that many of them happen to run countries back in the Middle/Dark Ages (and later). Ludwig II of Bavaria is a prime example. He pretty much bankrupted his country building castles (Neuschwanstein Castle included) long after the era of castles outlasted their usefulness. But he did it anyways, regardless of what his people thought.

So arguing that you'll bankrupt the country so you can't do this or that doesn't hold much water with me. Rulers did whatever they wanted and didn't care how much it cost them (or their people). Besides, most people in Middle/Dark ages lived in poor squaller and were taxed heavily to pay for their royalty's lavish lifestyle. Few rulers have been responsible to their people and fewer still had good financial management skills.

 

[TanisFrey]

but the king starves without the serf and will have to take up the sword at eveery turn of a new day with out the night. Are they not worth a great value for those exampels?

There was always food on the table of the king when the people starved from a failed crop. there was always merchants to loan money and transport food unless there was a total break down of society.

And remember my first statement was using the moral outlook of the typical person in the feudal system. People thought differently back then.

example of changing moral outlook: The Trail of Tears in the US history. Today it on as a great tradigy but the common US citizen of the time was all for it.

 

[Scott DeWar]

And remember my first statement was using the moral outlook of the typical person in the feudal system. People thought differently back then.

example of changing moral outlook: The Trail of Tears in the US history. Today it on as a great tradigy but the common US citizen of the time was all for it.

tis true as to the paridigm shift in thought. good point.

 

[cattoy]

Shrug. You can still enchant your item. So you can have a simple ring at 1st level, then have it turned into a ring of featherfall later on. I also fail to see where it actually says it consumes a magic item slot. I could be blind, but I don't see a specific statement. Intent of the rules... unclear.

P78. Amulet, ring, staff, wand or weapon.

Amulet or ring must be worn to work (taking up a magic item slot) staff, wand or weapon must be wielded (taking up a slot)

Or you could leave your bonded item at home and make a concentration check 20+spell level every time you try to cast any spell...

 

[Nikosandros]

P78. Amulet, ring, staff, wand or weapon.

Amulet or ring must be worn to work (taking up a magic item slot) staff, wand or weapon must be wielded (taking up a slot)

Yes, but the rules allow the wizard to enchant the bonded object:

A wizard can add additional magic abilities to his bonded object as if he has the required item creation feats and if he meets the level prerequisites of the feat.

So the slot isn't really wasted.

 

[Scott DeWar]

the problem is that with the beta it allowed you to enchant it from first level even without the feat, but only the bonded item. as the final version shows, you need to wait until you are of sufficient level to get the feat and then you can enchant it. In the case of the ring, that is level 7 caster level.

Forge Ring (Item Creation)

You can create magic rings.

Prerequisite: Caster level 7th.

Benefit: You can create magic rings. Crafting a ring takes 1 day for each 1,000 gp in its base price. To craft a ring, you must use up raw materials costing half of the base price.

You can also mend a broken ring if it is one that you could make. Doing so costs half the raw materials and half the time it would take to forge that ring in the first place.

See magic item creation rules for more information.

 

[ffanxii4ever]

Maybe its just me, but I've been a wizard twice now in PF, and neither time I took a bonded object. Partly because I don't want to risk it/waste the item slot but mainly because they are boring.
Sure you get that extra spell per day, of any spell that you know, which is very useful. But I'll take the wizard with the smart-talking raven familiar, or the wizard with a ill-tempered psuedodragon by his side, or (the one time I played a warrior spellcaster in 3.5) the mean-as-hell battle sorcerer with Fluffy the winter wolf by his side, over the wizard with a little ring that lets him pull a once-per-day rabbit out of his hat