JoeGKushner
Adventurer
John Morrow said:No. You just don't fully understand the economics of printing books. The short answer is that the more books you print, the cheaper they are to produce. Coffee table books have print runs that most role-playing game publishers could only dream of. If you really want a good comparison for the price of role-playing games, take a look at niche low-print run academic publications where you'll find plenty of books priced at $40, $80, or even $120. You can also look at the books published for other small niche hobbies. They are frequently quite expensive, too.
No one is arguing that school books aren't expensive. However, in almost any Becks Bookstore I go to, I can find a used copy for less than 1/2 price. Not quite so with any RPG store. We won't get into cycling.
John Morrow said:Consider inflation. When my father was a child, you could get a loaf of bread for $0.05. Does that mean that bakers are ripping people off because they no longer sell a loaf of bread for a nickel? The cost of paper and printing have gone up substantially since the 1970s for a variety of reasons (e.g., stricter environmental controls on paper production, higher labor costs, higher demand, better quality, etc.). Consider how much even mass market paperbacks have increased in cost since the late 1970s.
John, I'm talking a few years. I'm not talking ten years ago. I'm talking maybe three or four. Not the 1980's where a hardcover black and white player's handbook went for $15.00 or $20 but like 2002. From $12.95 to $25.00.
John Morrow said:Printing books in Canada isn't as much of a bargain as it used to be since the US decided to let the dollar weaken to correct trade imbalance problems. That it's no longer as much of a bargain to print in Canada is part of that correction.
And that's why they've started printing them in China for further discounts no?
John Morrow said:When you see role-playing game publishers and writers drive up to GenCon in a Bently covered with bling, you'll know you are being ripped off. Simply put, they are selling books at what they have to sell them for to make money and stay in business and they money they are making isn't that spectacular. The alternative isn't cheaper books but no books, because they'll be out of business. The only alternative is for role-playing to become mainstream enough that they sell books measured in the hundreds of thousands of copies rather than thousands of copies.
John, please read my post. Remember I said I don't feel that RPG's are too expensive for what you get. I feel that they're just pricing themselves out of casual reach. Picking up Chaositech for casual use in the campaign at $20 is something everyone can consider. Picking up Shackled City, even though it's reasonably priced for what you get at $60, isn't. They don't put the $50 steaks at the checkout counters. They put the .60 cent gum.
RPG's cannot think to compete with video games, computer games or other forms of entertainment that come down. They cannot think to compare themselves, for younger people, to colletable games that have a low investment cost and allow a greater deal of trade. They will lose every time.