Boots of S&S, Expeditious Retreat

[Ahzad]

A question for the rest of you DM's.

Take a pc w/ movement of 30', give him boots of striding and springing his move is now 60', then put him under the influence of Exepeditious Retreat. What's his new move?

Personally I would go with the rule where you don't double a double, as with keen. So his move is 90'.

Is that how the majority of you doing this? I have a player/dm who thinks the you double the double.

 

[Crothian]

Since the boots need that spell and do the same thing as the spell, I'd treat it as 60' because casting the same spell twice on a person wouldn't stack.

 

[Demon Knight]

What's his new move?

60 ft.

Why?

Because the Boots dont stack with ER.

 

[Ahzad]

Since the boots need that spell and do the same thing as the spell, I'd treat it as 60' because casting the same spell twice on a person wouldn't stack.

You know if would've paid attention to that in the cost to create, I would've seen that.

 

[Kraedin]

90 feet. Doubling a double is a triple, at least in D&D.

 

[kreynolds]

What Crothian and Demon Knight said. Since they require the same spell, they won't stack, unless specifically stated otherwise. Weapons of speed and haste are also limited in this manner. They don't stack because the effects are the same.

 

[Kraedin]

What Crothian and Demon Knight said. Since they require the same spell, they won't stack, unless specifically stated otherwise.

Spells or magical effects usually work as described, no matter how many other spells or magical effects happen to operating in the same area or on the same recipient.

That is, magical effects stack, unless there is a specific or general exemption.

The general exemptions are: identical bonuses (except for dodge and some circumstance) don't stack, and spells don't stack with themselves.

Even though the boots of striding and springing have similar (but not identical) effects, they are not the "same spell." (An example of a magic item that casts a spell on the wearer are boots of speed, which do not stack with haste.)

Because the boots contain no clauses stating that they don't stack with expeditious retreat, and expeditious retreat contains no clauses stating that they don't stack with boots of striding and springing, they stack, following the normal D&D multiplication rules.

Of course, it's a (very) reasonable house rule to say that they don't stack. (One that I employ, in fact.)

 

[kreynolds]

That is, magical effects stack, unless there is a specific or general exemption.

Why are you replying to me specifically? Anyways, from the FAQ...

If the sample character was a monk instead of a barbarian,
the distances jumped would be slightly less because the
character’s base speed would be lower. Note that the monk’s
fast movement ability becomes a supernatural ability starting at
9th level. Once that occurs, the monk’s fast movement no
longer stacks with boots of striding and springing. A 9th-level
human monk, for example, has a speed of 60. If wearing boots
of striding and springing, the monk’s speed is 100. (This is
twice the 50-foot speed the monk would have at 8th-level,
which is the fastest nonsupernatural speed the monk can
achieve.)

Why doesn't it stack with the monk then? Its not the same spell, but its the same effect.

 

[Kraedin]

Short answer? The Sage is making up rules again.

Long answer? Because the sage has not really thought through this line of reasoning. If you decide that "basically similar" effects no longer stack, you end up with nothing stacking with anything else. Why should an enhancement bonus to attack rolls stack with a competence bonus to attack rolls stack with an insight bonus to attack rolls? They all are basically similar, after all.

 

[kreynolds]

Short answer? The Sage is making up rules again.

So that's how it's gonna be?

EDIT:

Why should an enhancement bonus to attack rolls stack with a competence bonus to attack rolls stack with an insight bonus to attack rolls?

Ah. OK. Cool. I was hoping you weren't gonna be like that. Thanks for being cool about it.

Anyways, because one is an enhancement bonus, one is a competence bonus, and one is an insight bonus.

They all are basically similar, after all.

They are similar, but they are also specifically called out as being compeletely separate types of bonuses.