Boots of Speed/Spring Attack

[AGGEMAM]

Spring Attack does not require a standard action, it requires an attack action.

 

[Artoomis]

Okay, let's try this:

Normal action:

Readied action - "I'll attack moster (with the big reach) if he starts to move towards our wizard"

The monster moves towards the wizard.

Character Partial Charges the monster (moving 30 feet plus an attack), provoking an AoO from the reach of the monster as the character closes in.

With Spring Attack:

Readied action - "I'll attack moster (with the big reach) if he starts to move towards our wizard"

The monster moves towards the wizard.

Character Partial Charges the monster (moving 30 feet plus an attack), avoiding an AoO from the reach of the monster as the character closes in.

I don't see how you can allow a charge to work with Spring Attack and not a Partial Charge. The Spring Attack takes no time to resolve - you only to have an attack plus a move to use it. A partial charge is an attack plus a move!

 

[Artoomis]

Spring Attack does not require a standard action, it requires an attack action.

Correct. Now, normally, an attack action is a standard action, but in this case the Sage has ruled that "attack action" does not mean making a Standard Action Single Attack, for he says you can use a Charge.

If you can use a charge, then you can also use a Partial Charge - it's also an attack plus a move.

Mind you, I still feel the feat is not supposed to work this way, but that this is the way it works per the Sage.

 

[ForceUser]

Okay, let's try this:

Normal action:

Readied action - "I'll attack moster (with the big reach) if he starts to move towards our wizard"

The monster moves towards the wizard.

Character Partial Charges the monster (moving 30 feet plus an attack), provoking an AoO from the reach of the monster as the character closes in.

With Spring Attack:

Readied action - "I'll attack moster (with the big reach) if he starts to move towards our wizard"

The monster moves towards the wizard.

Character Partial Charges the monster (moving 30 feet plus an attack), avoiding an AoO from the reach of the monster as the character closes in.

I don't see how you can allow a charge to work with Spring Attack and not a Partial Charge. The Spring Attack takes no time to resolve - you only to have an attack plus a move to use it. A partial charge is an attack plus a move!

I see what you're saying. I'll have to ask my DM what his ruling is on spring attacking with a partial charge. He laid down the law pretty early on what could and couldn't be done in his campaign with a spring attack.

 

[Stalker0]

My only question about this is whether a hasted move after a partial charge is legal if its not in a straight line. I would say no, so you couldn't charge in with an attack, then attack and spring back.

But by the rules I'd say its totally legal, to move in, attack, move back as by your spring attack, and then partial charge for another attack. Charging allows for movement before the charge, and as long as you have the base move for this, it should be legal.

 

[Artoomis]

I see what you're saying. I'll have to ask my DM what his ruling is on spring attacking with a partial charge. He laid down the law pretty early on what could and couldn't be done in his campaign with a spring attack.

Ah. If you're talking about how this works in your campaign, then that's a different story.

Answer: However your DM says it works!

 

[ForceUser]

Artoomis:

Yeah, but he tries hard to run things by-the-book. Therefore, when I say "in his campaign," I mean "as by-the-book as possible."

 

[AGGEMAM]

My only question about this is whether a hasted move after a partial charge is legal if its not in a straight line. I would say no, so you couldn't charge in with an attack, then attack and spring back.

1stly, you could charge past your opponent, there is no rule that says you cannot do that.

2ndly, straight back and forth is still a straight line last time I checked.

 

[Corwin]

Ah. If you're talking about how this works in your campaign, then that's a different story.

Answer: However your DM says it works!

Yeah. The "Well in my campaign..." is getting pretty thick here. Even the Sage's.

 

[Macbrea]

Re: Spring Attack movement

From the FAQ:

The Sage says (in e-mail, but see the FAQ entry above as well) that to use Spring Attack you must move before or after the attack.

This could not possibly been a hard thing to rule on. Sheesh, exactly when are you going to provoke an AoO for moving about within a threatened area when not moving? To state that you must move before or after the attack to no take the AoO from moving inside a threatened area is like saying.

To have a feat go off in a situation the feat was written about must happen.