Bracers of Striking part 2 (no flaming please)

[Caliban]

IMO yes.

A Monk with 5 attacks using unarmed strilke is still only using one natural weapon. Eight body parts are mentioned in the PH, but they are all used interchangably without benefit or restriction. If I wanted to attack my opponent five times with my left elbow, there is nothing in the rules that would prevent it.

A Dragon with Claw/Claw/Bite/Tail/Wing attacks is using five natural weapons. They are listed as seperate weapons.

A non-monk using both fists is using two natural weapons.

Astlin

A monk can make their normal iterative attacks using only a single fist/foot/elbow/etc., but if they choose to use Flurry of Blows, the extra attack has to be made with a seperate limb.

If they have Magic Fang cast on them, only one natural weapon is affected, but they can use that weapon for all their normal attacks. It would have to be cast on them a second time to affect the extra attack from Flurry of Blows.

 

[Astlin]

A monk can make their normal iterative attacks using only a single fist/foot/elbow/etc., but if they choose to use Flurry of Blows, the extra attack has to be made with a seperate limb.

If they have Magic Fang cast on them, only one natural weapon is affected, but they can use that weapon for all their normal attacks. It would have to be cast on them a second time to affect the extra attack from Flurry of Blows.

In the Monk section of the PH under Flurry of Blows there is no mention of this for unarmed attacks.
It does add rules for monk weapons:

"If armed with one such weapon, she makes the extra attack either with that weapon or unarmed."

So if I can use Flurry of Blows with one Kama, why can't I use it with one body part?

"If armed with two such weapons, she uses one for the regular attack (or attacks) and the other for the extra attack."

I have absolutly NO clue why this section is in there. If I have a Kama in one hand I can attack with it six times. If I have one in each hand, I can only make five attacks with one and the sixth has to come from the other one... why?


Astlin

 

[Xarlen]

I think they are considered double weapons, because you simply need Two Bracers for any effect. Bracers of Armor, for example

 

[Astlin]

I think they are considered double weapons, because you simply need Two Bracers for any effect. Bracers of Armor, for example

They are not considered double weapons, they are priced as double weapons. Bracers (two of them) are one item slot. You do not buy one Boot of Speed, they come as a set.

Astlin

 

[Caliban]

In the Monk section of the PH under Flurry of Blows there is no mention of this for unarmed attacks.
It does add rules for monk weapons:

"If armed with one such weapon, she makes the extra attack either with that weapon or unarmed."'

Seems to me that it's saying that you can either make your normal attacks unarmed and the extra attack with the kama, or you make your normal attacks with the kama and the extra attack unarmed.

So if I can use Flurry of Blows with one Kama, why can't I use it with one body part?

I don't believe that it says you can make all your Flurry of Blows attacks with a single kama.

"If armed with two such weapons, she uses one for the regular attack (or attacks) and the other for the extra attack."

I have absolutly NO clue why this section is in there. If I have a Kama in one hand I can attack with it six times. If I have one in each hand, I can only make five attacks with one and the sixth has to come from the other one... why?

Astlin

Because, you can't make all your attacks with one weapon when using Flurry of blows.

Flurry of Blows is a slightly better version of two-weapon fighting, which is why a monk can't use TWF and Flurry of blows at the same time.

Based on this, I would rule that enhancing a set of Bracers of Striking costs the same as enhancing two seperate weapons.

 

[Astlin]

Seems to me that it's saying that you can either make your normal attacks unarmed and the extra attack with the kama, or you make your normal attacks with the kama and the extra attack unarmed.

It says that if you attack with one weapon, you have the OPTION of making the extra attack "either with that weapon or unarmed". The only place that it specifies what weapon you have to use for flurry is when you are using two monk weapons.


Flurry of Blows is a slightly better version of two-weapon fighting, which is why a monk can't use TWF and Flurry of blows at the same time.

Agree. Furry replaces and is better than two-weapon fighting.


Based on this, I would rule that enhancing a Bracer of Striking costs the same as enhancing two seperate weapons.

I do not agree with how you got there, but I am not going to argue with the result.

Astlin

 

[Caliban]

Seems to me that it's saying that you can either make your normal attacks unarmed and the extra attack with the kama, or you make your normal attacks with the kama and the extra attack unarmed.

It says that if you attack with one weapon, you have the OPTION of making the extra attack "either with that weapon or unarmed". The only place that it specifies what weapon you have to use for flurry is when you are using two monk weapons.

Taken in context with the next sentence (the one that you says makes no sense), I believe that the interpetation I gave you is the only interpretation that explains both sentences.

Your interpretation only uses the first sentence, and contradicts the second one. Since it doesn't agree with the entire text, I don't think your interpretation can be the correct one.


As for the original question of the thread: I wouldn't allow you to cast Greater Magic Weapon on Bracers of Striking though. They aren't weapons, they just allow weapon enhancement and special abilities to be applied to your unarmed attacks. The Greater Magic Weapon spell can only be applied to a weapon.

 

[Velenne]

This may have come up in the original discussion, but just in case it didn't, I'll lend my $.02 on the matter of effecting DR regardless of the bracer/gauntlet outcome:

A weapon of "Surestriking" is a "+1 market price" enchantment from Magic of Faerun that essentially makes the weapon count as +5 for purposes of negating DR only. So for 2K, you no longer have to worry about that part of it. A worthwhile investment for monks, IMHO.

Monte also had some kind of item on his website that effected all the natural attacks of a monster. I'm headed home from a night class so I'll have a look at it then.

As far as wanting to do more damage, that's a whole other issue with monks. Hope that helps,

 

[hong]

I can't see anything in the monk class description that says a flurry of blows can't be made using a kama (or any other monk weapon) for all the attacks. The only thing I can see is that the monk has the choice of using the kama for the extra attack, or a regular unarmed attack.

Basically, all the following combos seem legal:

- unarmed regular attacks, unarmed flurry (ie not using a kama)
- unarmed regular attacks, armed flurry
- armed regular attacks, unarmed flurry
- armed regular attacks, armed flurry