We are both right, I remember reading somewhere either in the errata or what the sage said, think it was something the sage said since I can't find it in any of the errata, but the shield doesn't give actual cover, just "cover" bonuses. Still searching for it also where he said it. I could be wrong but I am pretty sure it isn't actual cover.
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We are both right, I remember reading somewhere either in the errata or what the sage said, think it was something the sage said since I can't find it in any of the errata, but the shield doesn't give actual cover, just "cover" bonuses. Still searching for it also where he said it. I could be wrong but I am pretty sure it isn't actual cover.
It was a very difficult encounter. I agree with the DMG that those can be more dangerous than overpowering encounters because it isn't immediately apparent that the party should flee.
Digesters have to wait 1-4 rounds between acid sprays. There is no way characters should have been dissolving at a high rate.
The DC of all the damage effects are pretty low. How bad are the party's saves?
How does one character have 8/- DR? That's the stuff of epic characters.
As soon as the Xorn came out I'd have run away. Especially after knowing the naga was hasted and throwing fireballs. Come back 10 rounds later with everyone healed up and with proper defenses and things would be a whole lot different.
Level 10 is definitely significantly weaker than level 11. Having 3 6th level spells instead of 0 is a big difference as is having 3 attacks per round instead of 2.
Having no buffs up is a big swing too. My cleric was looking at AC 30, saves in the low-high teens and +16/11 attack bonus with an average damage of 15 per hit at 9th level with 5 elemental resistance across the board. With no spells active though it was AC 22, +9/4 with average damage of 7.
I'd have cursed the naga (-6 cha) so fast your head would spin putting an end to all but 1st level spells. Curses last so you can come back later and they are still cursed. Then I would have summoned something in a flanking position.
Digesters have to wait 1-4 rounds between acid sprays. There is no way characters should have been dissolving at a high rate.
The DC of all the damage effects are pretty low. How bad are the party's saves?
How does one character have 8/- DR? That's the stuff of epic characters.
As soon as the Xorn came out I'd have run away. Especially after knowing the naga was hasted and throwing fireballs. Come back 10 rounds later with everyone healed up and with proper defenses and things would be a whole lot different.
Level 10 is definitely significantly weaker than level 11. Having 3 6th level spells instead of 0 is a big difference as is having 3 attacks per round instead of 2.
Having no buffs up is a big swing too. My cleric was looking at AC 30, saves in the low-high teens and +16/11 attack bonus with an average damage of 15 per hit at 9th level with 5 elemental resistance across the board. With no spells active though it was AC 22, +9/4 with average damage of 7.
I'd have cursed the naga (-6 cha) so fast your head would spin putting an end to all but 1st level spells. Curses last so you can come back later and they are still cursed. Then I would have summoned something in a flanking position.
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Pretty good. Often they made saves, but half damage from a swarm of Fireballs is just nasty. The rogue, of course, survived.
Or a PrC.
I would have, too.
Heh heh.
They had buffs, just not nearly enough. Woah! You used up all your Protection from Elements?
That would take a touch attack and requires a Will save (which nagas are good at), which was difficult to make with Shield and Haste. That and no one got close enough, since I messed up with the digester.
If I do it again I'd just leave the xorn and naga, and tell the party to buff better.
What PrC gives 8/- DR by level 10? Dwarven defender gets 6 in 10 levels, barbarians get 5 in 20 levels.
I use endure elements and I extend them so they last 1-4 days each. My 5th level and higher slots I use to make my shorter duration spells persistent. When I wake up the next morning to begin the adventure I'm at maximum power. Individually all the buffs are small but something will help in any situation. I use stuff like Legion's March, Bear's Heart and Halo of Vengeance to buff the party for major encounters to make everyone last longer. If they've gone through their 11d4 temp hp from Bear's Heart and we aren't winning then its probably time to go. My best personal buff is aspect of deity. When I'm using that I'm darn near invincible for 11 rounds.
I use endure elements and I extend them so they last 1-4 days each. My 5th level and higher slots I use to make my shorter duration spells persistent. When I wake up the next morning to begin the adventure I'm at maximum power. Individually all the buffs are small but something will help in any situation. I use stuff like Legion's March, Bear's Heart and Halo of Vengeance to buff the party for major encounters to make everyone last longer. If they've gone through their 11d4 temp hp from Bear's Heart and we aren't winning then its probably time to go. My best personal buff is aspect of deity. When I'm using that I'm darn near invincible for 11 rounds.
Gez
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Actually, I believe the shield issue is in the official PH errata.
And from what I remember (and use), it gives you a +7 cover bonus to AC, a +3 cover bonus to Ref saves, but it don't procure actual cover (and thus you are subject to AoO).
I'll download the errata again and check that.
And from what I remember (and use), it gives you a +7 cover bonus to AC, a +3 cover bonus to Ref saves, but it don't procure actual cover (and thus you are subject to AoO).
I'll download the errata again and check that.
The changes to the shield spell are in the official FAQ. "The errata" only contain the changes made in the second printing of the PH, and it hasn't been updated for almost (?) two years.Gez said:
All new errata ("intentional changes or corrections to the rules by the game's publisher") are published in the official FAQ.
Yes, that's how it works.
No, we don't like it.
Nail
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This is so off topic that it's become laughable, but, ...just for completeness I thought I'd post this:
You'll note that it still is, in fact, a Cover bonus, and thus doesn't stack. The "rule dodge" they took was that although it's a cover bonus, it is not 3/4 cover...just some unspecified amount, and thus doesn't negate sneak attacks.
FWIW, IMHO, the FAQ is terrible........YMMV
You'll note that it still is, in fact, a Cover bonus, and thus doesn't stack. The "rule dodge" they took was that although it's a cover bonus, it is not 3/4 cover...just some unspecified amount, and thus doesn't negate sneak attacks.
FWIW, IMHO, the FAQ is terrible........YMMV
