Shin Okada
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That works for Stone Golem and similar ones. But not for all Golems.
Buffs for those with Spell Immunity
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That works for Stone Golem and similar ones. But not for all Golems.
Hi I am new here, but not in the D&D.
Here's a thing:
Asume a human takes the template of the half-golem (MM2).
WotC do not give any LA, probably due to the fact that one's character can be wasted.
During the "Operation" the subject replaces her lost limb(s) with that of a golem. Due to the difficulty of the person's will to accept it, one must succeed a will save, or the golem nature overcomes her and her subtype changes to that of a construct, while turn evil and have a lust in tearing living cratures appart. Once succeeded, the subtype remains unchanged.
The half-golem give traits of the golem type of the replacement limb, including magic immunity.
On this case, one has his full conciousness of what has happened,
and is intelligent.
Can a half-golem receive buffs by supressing he magic immunity?
Can one use rune magic such as permanent runes made by a rune caster?
Would the runes work them at all times?
Would supressing the magic immunity while "installing" them be enough?
Would they work only while the magic immunity is supressed?
Or they would not work at all?
That's all
Here's a thing:
Asume a human takes the template of the half-golem (MM2).
WotC do not give any LA, probably due to the fact that one's character can be wasted.
During the "Operation" the subject replaces her lost limb(s) with that of a golem. Due to the difficulty of the person's will to accept it, one must succeed a will save, or the golem nature overcomes her and her subtype changes to that of a construct, while turn evil and have a lust in tearing living cratures appart. Once succeeded, the subtype remains unchanged.
The half-golem give traits of the golem type of the replacement limb, including magic immunity.
On this case, one has his full conciousness of what has happened,
and is intelligent.
Can a half-golem receive buffs by supressing he magic immunity?
Can one use rune magic such as permanent runes made by a rune caster?
Would the runes work them at all times?
Would supressing the magic immunity while "installing" them be enough?
Would they work only while the magic immunity is supressed?
Or they would not work at all?
That's all
Starbuck_II
Explorer
Hi I am new here, but not in the D&D.
Here's a thing:
Asume a human takes the template of the half-golem (MM2).
WotC do not give any LA, probably due to the fact that one's character can be wasted.
During the "Operation" the subject replaces her lost limb(s) with that of a golem. Due to the difficulty of the person's will to accept it, one must succeed a will save, or the golem nature overcomes her and her subtype changes to that of a construct, while turn evil and have a lust in tearing living cratures appart. Once succeeded, the subtype remains unchanged.
The half-golem give traits of the golem type of the replacement limb, including magic immunity.
On this case, one has his full conciousness of what has happened,
and is intelligent.
Can a half-golem receive buffs by supressing he magic immunity?
Can one use rune magic such as permanent runes made by a rune caster?
Would the runes work them at all times?
Would supressing the magic immunity while "installing" them be enough?
Would they work only while the magic immunity is supressed?
Or they would not work at all?
That's all
If Intelligence is what stops a golem from suppressing it then yes.
Describe Rune magic first.
FEADIN
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I think that intelligence has no action in this case, some golems have intelligence and magic immunity.
It's the text which prevails, SR is nor Magic Immunity in the wording and MI is not Spell immunity either, you can lower SR by the text, no such precision exists for MI.
It's the text which prevails, SR is nor Magic Immunity in the wording and MI is not Spell immunity either, you can lower SR by the text, no such precision exists for MI.
The Rune Caster prestige class is described in Forgotten Realms Campain Setting. Rune Magic is probable the rune casting the triggered spell on the bearer, in the case of one-use ore uses-per-day runes, while,
Permanent runes are like "always-on" effects, like a permanent spell, untill dispelled.
About magic immunity.
How can a golem in general be buffed?
Since its MI is always on, how is it possible to receive beneficial spells?
And least, since magic items work on golems, would runes work?
If not all, and probably one-use or uses-per-day wouldn't work,
would permanent runes work?
Permanent runes are like "always-on" effects, like a permanent spell, untill dispelled.
About magic immunity.
How can a golem in general be buffed?
Since its MI is always on, how is it possible to receive beneficial spells?
And least, since magic items work on golems, would runes work?
If not all, and probably one-use or uses-per-day wouldn't work,
would permanent runes work?
I think you'd have to buff the golem's equipment, if any exists, as anything that allows SR cannot affect a creature with Magic Immunity.
The counterargument: a change of emphasis.
Yes, that is known. But if it is not precisely specified,
and there is information missing,
then all one can do is "play" with words do determine what is really correct.
Like:
Spell Immunity
This works exactly like spell resistance, except that it cannot be overcome.
Spell Resistance can be lowered "suppressed".
Also to overcome means to bypass it forcefully, to surpass.
And so it works, as a high leveled caster has more powerful spells and thus, is able to penetrate through spell resistance.
Magic immunity cannot be penetrated in such way.
And when it comes to decisions, a creature or a character more conveniently, can lower her spell resistance in order to accept buffs and such.
When it comes to spell immunity, nowhere is to be found indicating accurately that whether one is able to suppress her magic immunity or not,
so we can assume one is able to do so, just as spell resistance works.
Now, one with spell resistance, by lowering his spell resistance, can be succeptible to buffs, heals ect. When he raises his spell resistance again, while buffs are active, will they stay active, or will they be dispelled?
(or like given another roll to penetrate the SR, since it is SR and not MI)
and there is information missing,
then all one can do is "play" with words do determine what is really correct.
Like:
Spell Immunity
This works exactly like spell resistance, except that it cannot be overcome.
Spell Resistance can be lowered "suppressed".
Also to overcome means to bypass it forcefully, to surpass.
And so it works, as a high leveled caster has more powerful spells and thus, is able to penetrate through spell resistance.
Magic immunity cannot be penetrated in such way.
And when it comes to decisions, a creature or a character more conveniently, can lower her spell resistance in order to accept buffs and such.
When it comes to spell immunity, nowhere is to be found indicating accurately that whether one is able to suppress her magic immunity or not,
so we can assume one is able to do so, just as spell resistance works.
Now, one with spell resistance, by lowering his spell resistance, can be succeptible to buffs, heals ect. When he raises his spell resistance again, while buffs are active, will they stay active, or will they be dispelled?
(or like given another roll to penetrate the SR, since it is SR and not MI)
Dredan
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Any spell or item that specifically targets the golem/character would not work. By picking up the specific golem subtype, you gain its (Ex) abilities, you can't turn off the ability, it is always on. So therefore any item that would allow you to teleport, levitate, featherfall, heal or whatever would not work. Magic immunity is just that...immune to magic good or bad. If the spell states target personal or you, or just flat states it has a target, then you wouldn't be able to use it because you would have to target the golem, which is immune. My 2 cents.
