Buffy series finale (spoilers)

[Chun-tzu]

None of the other seasons really ended with plans outside of season 4. The rest they gathered weapons and fought.

I guess you're right (although Season 3, luring the Mayor into a library full of explosives, was definitely planned). But this one was less satisfying, because of what DID happen. Yet another Deus Ex Machina gets pulled out, in the form of the Amulet. If they had some idea that the Amulet would close the Hellmouth, then okay. The story just didn't flow all that naturally, despite having several good points.

 

[Shallown]

I felt the episode was meant to be 2 hours. Having it be an hour rushed a lot of things. I also think it ended in a less than satisfing way becuase of the rush.

the only real spot on parts where the ones I laughed at. Every laugh in that episode was , to me, definitave to the character. The gaming, Dawn kicking her sister, the conversation in thehall with the 4 etc.. where showcases of the characters.

Other than that I was dissappointed. I expected more. the uber vamps should have been like 50 not hundreds and been much more scary than they were.

just my thoughts.
later

 

[zyzzyr]

Hey,

I'm pretty new to the Buffy phenom (didn't start watching until 2 months ago). I've managed to see some of first, and most of 2-4th season (Space shows nightly, is mid-5th season now).

The finale was good, but not great. Wasn't spectacular, but was good.

A few things I thought were interesting:

1) Buffy's "every girl who can be a Slayer, will be a Slayer" : This seemed as if it was planned and written from the first episode. It echos Joss' wish that girls learn from Buffy and become independent because of it - live up to their full potential. This brings me to point #2 ...

2) There are now *hundreds* or possibly *thousands* of Slayers running around? Whoa, wait a minute! Faith was a Slayer, and she went rogue. How many of these Slayers will go rogue without a Watcher? How is this going to affect continuity on Angel? (Although I never understood why Jasmine's presence wasn't experienced in Sunnydale - at least not that I saw).

3) Xander's line "That's my gal - always doing the stupid thing." Errr ... what? That didn't seem very like either of them. He also didn't seem too bothered by it - making jokes a few seconds later. This "alternate script" has Xander dying, Anya making above comment - that makes more sense to me.

4) Where did all those Bringers come from? I didn't think that they were in the Hellmouth ...

5) Angel appearance - lame. No oomph. No reason. Although Buffy's "go all Dawson" was *hilarious*.

6) I expect the amulet will be explained on Angel next season, as Marsters is now supposedly a regular ... ?

7) Spike's "No, you don't ... but thanks for saying it." was vindication to all Spike fans (I am one of them). Although I don't know if Spike would have said "I want to see how this ends" ... he has a knack for self-preservation.

8) Trogdor reference funny ... DnD reference funnier. Giles playing, funniest.

9) Unresolved prophecy from Dawn's mother's ghost ... was it the First or a real propechy? Bad.

10) Finally ... Faith and Wood funny. Faith needed a come-uppance. Even a little one. An interesting spin-off w/ Wood and Faith would be interesting.

A few extra notes: Kennedy is a boring character.

But I agree, it seemed like it should have been a two-hour episode.

 

[zyzzyr]

Stupid databse connections.

 

[zyzzyr]

Stupid, stupid database.

 

[The Grumpy Celt]

So how was Sunnydale destroyed? I thought all the "civilians" had already left town.

Can someone offer some detailed episode spoilers?

 

[KnowTheToesToe]

Ok, I had a few problems with this...

Spike cannot return to Angel - it would totally cheapen the reason he died. He didn't die like Angel did the 2 times Buffy killed him - Spike went up in smoke....end of story. But I guess that if Lila can return after getting her head chopped off in Angel, then anything is possible. (dumb, but possible)

Buffy should have died. She had a sword completely pass through her abdomin....COME ON....if the Ubervamps were not getting up b/c of a sword in the gut, then Buffy should not have suddenly had this burst of energy.

If Buffy wasn't going to die, then Faith should have. Just an opinion.

I agree with others - I didn't like Kennedy. Too bossy. Couldn't see Willow "liking" someone so very strong. Willow was too mousy for someone so outgoing. Plus the age difference bothered me. To me, I saw Kennedy as being much younger than Will - maybe not in age, but definitely in intelligence/maturity.

Angel should have just stayed in LA. His being on the last 2 Buffy's was just a ratings getter. I liked his lines, but the role didn't need to be regenerated.

With all these "activated" slayers in the world - how is that going to be explained in Angel. I now don't see a real purpose for Angel and gang if all these slayers are out and about. They'll take care of the "big bads" in no time at all. Kind of a pointless thing to happen.

When Buff and the girls entered the Hellmouth - anyone get deja vu to Lord of the Rings Orks?

I thought Buffy's last line of the episode when asked what she's going to do now that she's a regular girl should have been "I'm going to bake cookies". referring to the cookie speech to Angel.

 

[Caliban]

I don't think it was D&D that they were playing, but rather Talisman, or some other fantasy boardgame. That's what they board they were playing on looked like, and they seemed to be competing against each other.

 

[Henry]

I don't think it was D&D that they were playing, but rather Talisman, or some other fantasy boardgame. That's what they board they were playing on looked like, and they seemed to be competing against each other.

I dunno - Giles was "guarding the door" and backing up Xander, so it looked more cooperative to me. Plus, while the general audience would have probably gotten a D&D reference, another more esoteric game I doubt would have been interpreted as such. I'm still thinking it's D&D, unless someone confirms otherwise.

 

[physics_ninja]

Most importantly, TROGDOR the BURNINATOR!!!

Could someone please explain this Trogdor reference? I have no idea what he/she/it is.

As for the episode ... disapointing and satisfying.

The satisfying parts: the roleplaying scene, Anya's death (she had to die because she was the one who was always talking about dying), Andrew's survival (cuz, he never thought he would), Buffy telling Spike "I Love You" (I'm really glad they did this since Cassie told Spike that she would) and the total destruction of Sunnydale (nothing else would be worthy of deafeating the First).

The disapointing parts: Angel's cheesy cameo, The Slayer Axe Deus ex Machina, the Amulet Deus ex Machina, Calib's "I'm not dead yet!" return, and the Everyone's a Slayer spell which Willow apparently pulled out of thin air. If it were that easy, I think it would have been done a long time ago.