Buffy series finale (spoilers)

[Ranger REG]

Yeah. He's quite over her.

 

[Jemal]

Here's a thought (probably not even a remote possibility, but a hope nonetheless).
Spike comes back as the Big Bad for Angel next season... Something screws up and he DOES come back as a human... but he's possessed by the first or looses his soul or something, and goes back to 'old-school' spike.

Sorry I know it'll never happen, It's just that I've been wanting a season with Spike as the BBEG since School Hard!! A while ago, I actually stopped watching the series for about a year, and just happened to tune in to the ep where OZ left (During the Adam/Initiative season), and when I saw Spike standing on that hill saying "The big bad is back!" That's the SINGLE REASON I started watching again.

Course, then I got hooked by the series itself, but he's still the best character the show's ever had, and for most of it he was evil! He'ld make an awesome BBEG

Um, I think I'm rambling here.. Spike tends to do that to me (Though the same can be said about Willow........ mmmm.... red....)
*slap* thanks, I needed that. I'll be going now. tata.

 

[TwistedBishop]

Even a month past the air date, my hatred for the finale still burns brightly.

It's not the plot holes they never bothered to answer, the cheap plot devices (amulet and axe), or even the continued lifelessness of the main characters.

No, after a month, my problem is the finale just made no damn sense. What was the plan? How did they ever hope to win by charging in? They had absolutely no idea that Spike's amulet would nuke every ubervamp in sight. The finale of one of the best shows ever, and it amounted to "let's go into hell and fight, I'm sure everything will turn out fine!" Maybe if Buffy hadn't seen the legion of ubervamps....maybe if a single one hadn't taken her 10 minutes to barely kill...maybe then it wouldn't have been so bad. But it was. Bad. Really bad. X-Files season nine finale-type bad. If only they had managed to get the ubervamp fight into a court room.....

Blah. Blah to wasted potential.

 

[Ranger REG]

The plan is to break the Man's rule about having only one potential girl to be a Slayer at one time. After all, it is possible as evident with Faith and Buffy. So using the scythe and Willow's magic, she shares her power to every girls in the world, including the Potentials that are with her.

 

[Wayside]

Perhaps because he realises that it would never work with Buffy. Remember the "I love you." - "No you don't but thanks for saying it anyway." exchange.

Yeah, I didn't buy it. Perhaps because of all the other exchanges they had in the episodes leading up to it.. "you're the only thing I've ever been sure about" and "he's in my heart" and all that. They had a lot of moments in the last few episodes.

He was just being... Spike.

And then that STILL wouldn't explain why he'd be hanging out with Angel, would it?

 

[Vocenoctum]

The plan is to break the Man's rule about having only one potential girl to be a Slayer at one time. After all, it is possible as evident with Faith and Buffy. So using the scythe and Willow's magic, she shares her power to every girls in the world, including the Potentials that are with her.

How does that plan WIN though?
Were the slayers going to kill the entire dimension of UberVamps?

They didn't know the Amulet did anything, so they didn't plan on it. In fact, they really didn't need to do anything, since Spike is the one that won...

If they'd known, a better plan would have been to sneak Spike in and Zap them.

 

[John Crichton]

How does that plan WIN though?
Were the slayers going to kill the entire dimension of UberVamps?

They didn't know the Amulet did anything, so they didn't plan on it. In fact, they really didn't need to do anything, since Spike is the one that won...

Yup, her plan was to go in with a small army of Slayers and one soulled vampire and take them out. Recall that she thought the mortality rate would be very high. It was the only plan that offered them a chance to win.

TwistedBishop: As for the ubervamp that took her a while to kill, once she figured out that it could be killed she had enough time to set up a viewing grounds for the SITs to watch her kill the thing. Kinda proves that the ubers weren't all that tough, just harder to kill than normal vamps.

Ah, and as for the plan winning: you take away the army, you take away the First's ability to invade and take over.

 

[S'mon]

I agree that the plan seemed kinda dubious - at least Buffy's confidence in it - "We're going to win." Why would she expect even 30 Slayers to defeat what appeared to be several thousand (non)-uber vamps? Even if they were regular vamps - and in the final battle they appeared to be no noticeably better than regular vamps or even the Bringers - they were bound to win by weight of numbers. All I can think of is that she planned to kill lots of them and with hundreds(?) more Slayers in the world, impede the First's plans for a good while. I didn't get the impression she expected her entire force to be killed though, it was more of a 'something will turn up' thing. Not to mention there was no reason for Willow to not complete the ceremony until after they'd entered Hell, was there?

 

[Skade]

I agree that the plan seemed kinda dubious - at least Buffy's confidence in it - "We're going to win." Why would she expect even 30 Slayers to defeat what appeared to be several thousand (non)-uber vamps?

My impression was that she did not come to this conclusion from any tactical superiority, but instead by the change in the First's demeanor. She realized that for the first time she was not on the defensive, and more importantly that shift really seemed to have unsettled the First. I admit I could be wrong, been some tie since I saw those episodes, but I really think it was psychological rather than tactical.

 

[Skade]

double post...