Ranger REG
Explorer
They're joyful that CoC d20 has come to an end?
I wish I could say I'm surprised but I'm not.
I wish I could say I'm surprised but I'm not.
Call of Cthulhu d20 not reprinted?
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Neo
Explorer
News to me if Chaosium are happy about CoC D20 ending.... i just got the latest R'yleh report (Chaosium newsletter) and they were announcing a bunch of dual statted CoC products that used thier own system and CoC D20... certainly no mention of that kind of setup being about to end either??
Psion
Adventurer
Sky not falling yet
Okay, perhaps this will shed some light on things.
According to Dennis Detwiler (formerly of WotC, and contributor to CoC d20) the arrangement was always that after the first print run that Chaosium would handle any further printings.
So basically, the game's not over, but the ball is in Chaosium's court. The fact that WotC is not doing a reprint has nothing to do with sales (which I am told were good.)
See:
http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?threadid=8597&pagenumber=1
Okay, perhaps this will shed some light on things.
According to Dennis Detwiler (formerly of WotC, and contributor to CoC d20) the arrangement was always that after the first print run that Chaosium would handle any further printings.
So basically, the game's not over, but the ball is in Chaosium's court. The fact that WotC is not doing a reprint has nothing to do with sales (which I am told were good.)
See:
http://forum.rpg.net/showthread.php?threadid=8597&pagenumber=1
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JoeGKushner
Adventurer
Oh God. Chaosium is going to do the reprint? I guess we'll start off with a softcover, a hardcover, a deluxe hardcover, a deluxe collector's editon hardcover, a limited edition collector's edition hardcover and finally, the CoC hardcover with limited suction power!
Ranger REG
Explorer
** bangs head to wall **JoeGKushner said:
Oh, joy.
I can never understand the appeal of "limited collector's edition."
VoodooGroves
First Post
Chasium reprint
Don't forget, all the pages will fall out of the bindings if Chaosium does the reprint. Yay.
Don't forget, all the pages will fall out of the bindings if Chaosium does the reprint. Yay.
Kaptain_Kantrip
First Post
I never liked Chaosium or their products. I don't think they have any intention of providing proper or timely support for CofC d20. It's been forever, and no support products have materialized, despite promises. The time to release those products was in the immediate wake of CoC d20's release, not six-twelve months later. No support = dead game. IMO, Chaosium wants CoC d20 to fail. They also appear to have no grasp on how d20 works (based on Dragon Lords of Melnibone's pathetic attempt at implementing d20 for Elric!), so I would question the usefulness of any d20 stats they provide, before blindly acepting them. Chaosium also tends to insert lame humor into their NPC stats like "gibber and squeak 90%". This is neither amusing nor useful, and in d20, detrimental to determining an NPC or creature's correct skill points. And lastly, Chaosium's products look cheap (bad art) and read as being rather amateur and overly verbose. I could never get into anything they did and don't expect their CoC d20 products to be any better. I'll still give them a look, but they better be spectacular to get my gaming dollar.
Thorin Stoutfoot
First Post
I have to chime in here
I'm a Chaosium free-lancer, so take this with whatever salt you need.
Chaosium couldn't easily produce CoC d20 products until freelancers were available to write them. Freelancers (like me!) don't usually have access to pre-released material, so they don't have any more of a head-start on CoC d20 than you do.
Now, I just finished up my d20 conversion of Masks of Nyarlathotep (Lynn has a copy of the draft in case I get hit by a car --- again!). However, it's not DONE. For it to be DONE, I need to play-test (I have 2 groups on the play-test), and revise, revise, revise until I'm sick of it. (If I was doing this for a living, I'd stop now, but I'm doing this is for fun, so I'm going to be a little bit of a perfectionist on it)
In other words, it takes time to produce good work. If you are being made to wait, it is because a free-lancer or Chaosium is trying to produce the best possible product. As part of my conversion, I have new spells, new monsters, and new rules for handling foreign languages to play-test.
In the mean time, if you have great ideas, write them up and propose it to Chaosium. You might be surprised at the reception. I know I was.
I'm a Chaosium free-lancer, so take this with whatever salt you need.
Chaosium couldn't easily produce CoC d20 products until freelancers were available to write them. Freelancers (like me!) don't usually have access to pre-released material, so they don't have any more of a head-start on CoC d20 than you do.
Now, I just finished up my d20 conversion of Masks of Nyarlathotep (Lynn has a copy of the draft in case I get hit by a car --- again!). However, it's not DONE. For it to be DONE, I need to play-test (I have 2 groups on the play-test), and revise, revise, revise until I'm sick of it. (If I was doing this for a living, I'd stop now, but I'm doing this is for fun, so I'm going to be a little bit of a perfectionist on it)
In other words, it takes time to produce good work. If you are being made to wait, it is because a free-lancer or Chaosium is trying to produce the best possible product. As part of my conversion, I have new spells, new monsters, and new rules for handling foreign languages to play-test.
In the mean time, if you have great ideas, write them up and propose it to Chaosium. You might be surprised at the reception. I know I was.
Kaptain_Kantrip
First Post
They could have had the prerelease CoC d20 available to them, I should think, so that they could have gotten a headstart... one would think that a provision for that would have been made in their licensing agreement with WoTC. By making the public wait an eternity (which is more than a month or two when you've just bought the core rules and are excited to play ASAP), you've killed all your momentum, you've lost all the free hype/publicity WoTC generated for the game. In other words, you've dropped the ball. Whether purposely or not, it's still bad business. I'm sure their dual-statted d20 CoC stuff will sell in decent numbers, but I think it won't sell as well as if it had come out when the game was new and "hot" back in March/April.
