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Call of Cthulhu grows to the second best selling RPG core book on Amazon USA

darjr

I crit!
Amazon numbers are volatile because of the after Christmas sales, but this is the first time I've seen this in Amazon sales rank. First the PHB 5e is in the 50's, again, again. Second the COC 7th core book has been in the 20thousands for a while but now it's at 7,828 third is Pathfinder 2e at 9,596, it has been hovering around 13,000 for the last few weeks.

Granted, these two will probably flip flop a few times and probably settle back to where they were pre Christmas. Still I wanted to note it, I think it's news and important. CoC is growing.

Note these are sales rankings out of ALL books sold on Amazon USA.

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Jaeger

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Call of Cthulhu grows to the second best selling RPG core book on Amazon USA​

Amazon numbers are volatile because of the after Christmas sales, but this is the first time I've seen this in Amazon sales rank. First the PHB 5e is in the 50's, again, again. Second the COC 7th core book has been in the 20thousands for a while but now it's at 7,828 third is Pathfinder 2e at 9,596, it has been hovering around 13,000 for the last few weeks. ...

CoC was ahead of PF2 as of 12-7-2020 as well - I noted it on another forum where I was discussing PF2.

A little more variety on the top is a good thing.


I’m guessing it’s benefited from Lovecraft Country.

Nothing wrong with that. Good on them.

D&D 5e has certainly benefitted from pop culture references it did not initiate.

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darjr

I crit!
CoC was ahead of PF2 as of 12-7-2020 as well - I noted it on another forum where I was discussing PF2.

A little more variety on the top is a good thing.




Nothing wrong with that. Good on them.

D&D 5e has certainly benefitted from pop culture references it did not initiate.

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Do you have what the rankings were?
 

Blue Orange

Explorer
I went into Books: Science Fiction & Fantasy: Gaming and checked--all the top 10 are D&D books (top 5: Tasha's, PHB, DMG, MM, Xanathar's), except for what appears to be a wuxia/litRPG novel in the "Silver Fox & the Western Hero" series.

Amazon has very specific categories, and I wouldn't be surprised if you were looking in a different place...
 

darjr

I crit!
I went into Books: Science Fiction & Fantasy: Gaming and checked--all the top 10 are D&D books (top 5: Tasha's, PHB, DMG, MM, Xanathar's), except for what appears to be a wuxia/litRPG novel in the "Silver Fox & the Western Hero" series.

Amazon has very specific categories, and I wouldn't be surprised if you were looking in a different place...
Looking at different RPGs. All the D&D books count as D&D books. Look at the rankings for ALL books and the second highest core book AFTER any D&D book was COC.
 

Blue Orange

Explorer
I keep looking for different RPG books and they're in the category 'Fantasy Gaming', when I look at bestsellers for that category I get what I described.

Is it possible Amazon actually tweaks their bestseller list per person? I logged out of Amazon, tried again, and got the same result.
 

darjr

I crit!
Well, Call of Cthulhu doesn't appear to be in the Fantasy Gaming list at all.

It isn't a fantasy game, technically.
 


overgeeked

B/X Known World
So any ideas as to why Call of Cthulhu is finally getting more sales? Are there popular live plays I’m unaware of? They doing promotions like the Critical Role one shot? Anyone able to explain the sudden up tick besides “it’s about time” or “well deserved”. It’s both of those, but why now?
 

Morrus

Well, that was fun
Staff member
So any ideas as to why Call of Cthulhu is finally getting more sales? Are there popular live plays I’m unaware of? They doing promotions like the Critical Role one shot? Anyone able to explain the sudden up tick besides “it’s about time” or “well deserved”. It’s both of those, but why now?
I think the CR game was very important. And those CR sponsored games don't come cheap.
 

CleverNickName

Limit Break Dancing
So any ideas as to why Call of Cthulhu is finally getting more sales? Are there popular live plays I’m unaware of? They doing promotions like the Critical Role one shot? Anyone able to explain the sudden up tick besides “it’s about time” or “well deserved”. It’s both of those, but why now?
It's probably a lot of little things. The Critical Role one-shot you mentioned probably helped, and so did the Lovecraft Country series that @MGibster mentioned. For me, it was discovering The Magnus Archives podcast a couple of years ago.
 

darjr

I crit!
It also became a bit of a thing on streaming in general. That seems to have kept going because it seems folks enjoyed it very much.

But also I think credit is due to the return of some of the old hands at Chaosium. It seems they went out and learned a lot of things about doing business and so on and brought that back.
 

overgeeked

B/X Known World
I think the CR game was very important. And those CR sponsored games don't come cheap.
I have no doubt. But that was a year ago. I was thinking something more recent that I’d missed. And weirdly, the CR Call of Cthulhu one-shot is how I discovered CR.
 


Sock Puppet

Villager
Almost like it's the second most played RPG online...

And has been for two years.
 

MGibster

Legend
I'm a little surprised that a somewhat depressing game like Call of Cthulhu is doing well right now. Members of my group said they didn't want to play Alien because it was too bleak in light of the current pandemic.
 

GrahamWills

Adventurer
I'm a little surprised that a somewhat depressing game like Call of Cthulhu is doing well right now. Members of my group said they didn't want to play Alien because it was too bleak in light of the current pandemic.
I know the classic view of CoC is that everyone dies in the end as the world is destroyed, but that's because it's fun to do that at one-shots in conventions! Actual campaigns aren't like that at all. I've run several, and they overwhelming are about the heroes facing barely understandable cosmic horrors and saving the world. Even Lovecraft's stories themselves are a mix. In general, a single protagonist is probably doomed (unless they re Harry Houdini), but a small grou much wins nearly every time. Dunwich Horror in particular reads like a solid successful RPG session - players discover the evil, research it, fend it off as it attacks in their base, and then they equip a party, search it out in its lair and destroy it.

I assume Roll20 is mostly campaigns -- so I'd expect more of the Mask of Nyarlathotep / Dunwich / Beyond the Mountains of Madness style, rather than The Horror on the Doorstep. A group of plucky scientists fending off and defeating barely understood horrors that cannot be seen in the face of an indifferent government seems actually a pretty good fit for the world at the moment!
 

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