Calling creatures and stealing their stuff

[Thanee]

Looking through the MM I wondered, since many of the outsiders (celestials, demons, devils) now carry magical weapons (i.e. Erinyes even list it as treasure). Can you use Planar Binding to get those nice magic weapons?

Bye
Thanee

 

[JimAde]

You are one devious human being. I think you're my hero.

So would doing this to a celestial be a good act, since summoning a Good creature makes the spell have the [Good] descriptor? Sure, killing him afterward is evil, but it should all balance out, right?

 

[Thanee]

So would doing this to a celestial be a good act, since summoning a Good creature makes the spell have the [Good] descriptor? Sure, killing him afterward is evil, but it should all balance out, right?

I don't think so...

Bye
Thanee

 

[Darmanicus]

I don't see why not. I think I'm gonna have to have a little chat with our wizard, hehe!

 

[mikebr99]

Looking through the MM I wondered, since many of the outsiders (celestials, demons, devils) now carry magical weapons (i.e. Erinyes even list it as treasure). Can you use Planar Binding to get those nice magic weapons?

Bye
Thanee

Sure.. it'll work once or twice. Then the Union of Outsiders sends one of it's "negotiators" to show you the error of your ways.

Mike

 

[nsruf]

I ruled for my campaign that anything the outsider brings with it disappears as soon as the outsider disappears. Not sure if there is an official ruling on that.

The only spell I would consider feasible for stealing stuff would be gate.

 

[mikebr99]

I ruled for my campaign that anything the outsider brings with it disappears as soon as the outsider disappears. Not sure if there is an official ruling on that.

The only spell I would consider feasible for stealing stuff would be gate.

That would be true for summoning spells... however Thanee specifically said "calling", which brings the actual creature along.

 

[nsruf]

That would be true for summoning spells... however Thanee specifically said "calling", which brings the actual creature along.

I should have been more clear: I did make that ruling for planar binding. For summoning, it is clearly spelled out, anyway.

 

[Lela]

I think I'd let my players make Knowledge (Arcana, Religion, Planes) or Bardic Knowledge checks to recall mention of this being tried before.

A greedy, lazy, Wizard named Thanee was in the Magic Item creation business. One day she watched as an old Loremaster colleague (E. Noah) Called an Erinyes to gain information. When she saw the demon's blade she realized something invigorating.

Instead of spending all that time in the forge with that smelly dwarf Wulf (that pounding alone gave her a headache and Wulf kept coming on to her) she'd simply transport creatures to the material plane. After "Confiscating" any equipment and gathering whatever information she could, she'd simply Banish the outsider back to its home plane or Disintegrate it. Either way a quick artifact or two without a dwarf commenting on the "Gifts granted her by the Forge Father."

Unfortunately, she underestimated how quickly the denizens of the lower (and upper) planes are able to gather their forces and, forcibly, put a stop to such activity. After falling to three Balors, a Pit Fiend, 6 Retrievers, 2 Erinyes, 14 Imps, and a Sword Archon her story easily found it's way into many a beginning textbook (So, You Want to be a Wizard? and religious manuscript (Outsiders, the Dos and Don'ts).

In fact, her name has become synonymous with irresponsible and/or stupid Wizardly practice, "Watch it boy, you'll wind up worse off than Thanee."

It's worth noting that such a story could lead to an excursion into the Abyss in an attempt to rescue Thanee's soul. Just make sure there aren't any Dwarves in your party.

 

[Thanee]

Hey, outsiders aren't omnipotent, all-knowing beings.
By this logic, every thief would automatically end up dead, too.

Besides, if you actually got the item from an outsider and call the same one again after some time, will the item still be gone, or has it been replaced by then?

Bye
Thanee

P.S. Just to make sure, I don't actually plan to do so (I'm not that greedy ), I'm just curious what you think about this possibility.