Can a human do this?

[DM-Rocco]

Okay, I am looking for an open discussion on whether or not a human can select his racial bonus at-will power from a secondary class if they take one of the multi-class feats on page 208 of the PHB.

The theory is that the human has a racial bonus feat. In theory this feat is taken at the time of choosing the race. If that feat is a multi-class feat, let’s say Arcane Initiate, the human at this point in character creation doesn’t have any other list to choose an at-will power from, because the base class hasn’t been chosen yet, but they would in this instance, have all the wizard at-will powers to pick from. So, a human in theory could pick a wizard at-will power in this case for his human bonus at-will.

Please be civil and state your case for or against.

 

[mach1.9pants]

No he can only select from his primary class. he is counted as a multi classed character only for

A character who has taken a class-specific multiclass feat counts as a member of that class for the purpose of meeting prerequisites for taking other feats and qualifying for paragon paths.

So he cannot take a m-c at will at 1st level even if he has taken a m-c feat at 1st level. He will have to wait til paragon level and take paragon m-c for that.

edit: Oh yeah this should really be in the 4E rules forum I guess...

 

[the Jester]

I don't know if it's RAW, but I'd probably go for it. Why not? Let the human be better at being multiclassed- it works for me.

Then again, I haven't really thought it through; there might be good balance reasons to say no. Shrug.

 

[DM-Rocco]

No he can only select from his primary class. he is counted as a multi classed character only for So he cannot take a m-c at will at 1st level even if he has taken a m-c feat at 1st level. He will have to wait til paragon level and take paragon m-c for that.

edit: Oh yeah this should really be in the 4E rules forum I guess...

I thought of that too and that is really the only reason tosay no you can't. In spite of this I think it is a gray area.

 

[DM-Rocco]

I don't know if it's RAW, but I'd probably go for it. Why not? Let the human be better at being multiclassed- it works for me.

Then again, I haven't really thought it through; there might be good balance reasons to say no. Shrug.

This is another point for it. Humans are the versatile race. They get an at-will from the base class instead of a set power. They get a bonus feat and skill instead of a second ability boost. To me it makes sense that this could work even if the RAW doesn' flat out say it.

On the con side, the half elf gets to choose one from any class and treat it as an encounter power. In contrast to that, the half elf doesn't have to sped a feat to do what is mentioned above, so as a DM I would allow it.

 

[mach1.9pants]

well it is grey in that there is nothing specifically saying NO. But the mc feat states that above, it only counts you as mc for a few things, at wills are not one of them. IMO it is cut and dried.

Send a question to CS if you want an 'official' answer I suppose (not that some of them have been that good!)

 

[Ahglock]

I would not allow that grey area to fly. I think it takes away form the 1/2 elf racial too much. In a campaign with no 1/2 elves i might allow it.

 

[Steve Jung]

In my opinion, if a character could pick a power from his second class, then there would be no point to the power-swap feats.

 

[themilkman]

The possibility for abuse is just too great here. I'd never allow it in my game, but I play with some pretty heavy optimizers. I could easily expect every strength-heavy human character to pick up Righteous Brand at 1st level... or Twin Strike...

The only way to get an at-will from another class is through paragon multiclassing, but you have to take a pretty big hit to do that. I like it that way.

 

[Lord Xtheth]

Yeah, Class abilities aren't realy IN the description of the MC feats, at least not beyond the ones they come with. However, letting a human character do that doesn't seem all that gamebreaking.