Can a monk take improved natural attack for his unarmed attack?

[Egres]

A human monk has a natural weapon like every human.....it does ad3 subdual damage. You can improve that all you want. Improved unarmed stike is differant and as such doesnt stack.

Humans don't have any natural weapons.

 

[jarlaxlecq]

Humans don't have any natural weapons.

And where does it say that

 

[AuraSeer]

Hmm, this brings up an interesting question. When a human Ftr20 (without Improved Unarmed Strike) makes a full attack with his bare hands, how many attacks does he get?

If the human unarmed strike is actually a natural weapon, the Ftr20 can only punch once in a round, because natural weapons don't get multiple attacks for high BAB. Conversely, if the fighter can use the unarmed strike for all four of his attacks, it must be some kind of special case-- a weapon that's neither natural nor manufactured.

 

[Egres]

And where does it say that

Humans don't have any Slam claw or bite and so on attacks,isn't it?

Humans cab only deal unarmed strikes if unarmed.

From the 3.5 FAQ:

A natural weapon
(any natural weapon) is neither an unarmed strike nor a special
monk weapon,

Note also that:Humans aren't described in the MM, but look at the other core races.

Elves,Dwarves and so on..do they have any natural weapons listed?

 

[Sejs]

Actually it's easier than that - natural weapons don't provoke an AOO when used against an armed opponent, but a human using an unarmed strike against one does. Hence an unarmed strike isn't a natural weapon.

 

[Sejs]

it must be some kind of special case-- a weapon that's neither natural nor manufactured.

Well, humans don't have natural weapons, and it is listed on the weapons table.

Maybe it counts as a weapon that was manufactured by his parents.

 

[Egres]

Actually it's easier than that - natural weapons don't provoke an AOO when used against an armed opponent, but a human using an unarmed strike against one does. Hence an unarmed strike isn't a natural weapon.

Hmm...a creature with Natural Weapons can do unarmed attacks.

Thats' why i avoided that reply.

 

[Sejs]

Hmm...a creature with Natural Weapons can do unarmed attacks.

Thats' why i avoided that reply.

No reason to avoid it at all - a creature with natural weapons can indeed do unarmed attacks.

But they're two different things.

And a human doesn't have the option of a natural weapon, just the unarmed attack. And a monk's abilities say expressly that they improve on a normal unarmed strike.

 

[green slime]

AND, the monk's attack is a non-defined body part. It can be an elbow, a knee, a finger, a fist, a shoulder, a foot, a...

Whereas the poor monster taking this feat has define a body part that is actually improving: a bite or claw, usually.

 

[Bryin]

Is a dragons breathe weapon/claw natural?
Is a punch, kick, or any body part natural for a human?

Doesnt seem like a core rule, more like a houserule to me