Can a monk take Improved Natural Attack? - Official answer

[Babylon Knight]

My account is.

I'm not.

What did you add to this discussion? Zilch.

 

[IcyCool]

http://www.enworld.org/showthread.php?t=148122

End of discussion

Obviously, it isn't.

As others have pointed out, this answer isn't errata, and it isn't in the books. The main problem with the feat is whether or not Improved Unarmed Strike counts as a natural weapon for purposes of pre-requisites.

 

[Babylon Knight]

It does.

Now can we stop arguing and go back to seek various ways to empower our characters?

 

[Scion]

As others have pointed out, this answer isn't errata, and it isn't in the books. The main problem with the feat is whether or not Improved Unarmed Strike counts as a natural weapon for purposes of pre-requisites.

If it isnt counting as a prereq then what exactly does the 'counting as ...' text really mean? As I understand it, some people are argueing that the text in question actually has no meaning at all, which I just cant agree with.


Must I point out the feat that I posted earlier in this thread?

 

[Babylon Knight]

Hm...

I'm staring at my hand/leg, and i'm looking really hard...unless i'm a construct, or i pulled a Lt. Dan and got my limb severed and replaced, I really don't see how I could count it as manufactured weapon. I was born from a creature, something natural, something from the natural world.

I'd pretty much consider it a natural weapon for the purposes of taking INA, so I am in agreement with the source from Andy.

Now, I realize that this isn't really "mechanically sound", but also, it never hurts to use a little common sense either.

 

[Scion]

but then monks unarmed strikes count as manufactured weapons as well

 

[Babylon Knight]

but then monks unarmed strikes count as manufactured weapons as well

Born beings are not "manufactured" unless you want to get theological and debate in a whole new topic that somehow ties in "The Matrix" and other such sources of different viewpoints.

As somewhere once said " X are made, not born" Made, being constructed/manufactured.

 

[IcyCool]

Now, I realize that this isn't really "mechanically sound", but also, it never hurts to use a little common sense either.

Sadly, that will hurt your arguement here in the rules forum more than anything else.

 

[Babylon Knight]

As long as people realize they aren't using much, or any, then I still succeeded.

 

[Scion]

Born beings are not "manufactured"

Completely unimportant and irrelevant.

It doesnt matter what their unarmed strikes started as, once they go monk they are treated as natural and manufactured.


Also, common sense has little to no bearing in the rules forum.

Common sense is far from common. What you may find to be nonsensical may be someone elses bread and butter.