can celestial armor be given the mithral property?
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FoxWander
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Well there are two ways to do it, by the RAW, provided the DM (meaning the OP in this case) either: method 1) allows for player created items or, method 2) allows for munchkinly effects with spells. 
Method 1) Get the Craft magic Arms and Armor feat, be of good alignment, know how to cast fly then spend the time and requisite 12,550 gp + 1,004 XP. Those are the prereqs to craft the armor. Just because the description says "bright silver or gold", this could just as easily mean color as the the actual metals silver or gold. Mithral is a "silvery, glistening metal" and matches that description. Of course, maybe all celestial armor is already made from mithral, thus the "bright silver" description, and thus this point is moot. Or "bright silver or gold" is just a description and celestial armor's max dex, check penalty and ASF chance benefits are just part of the magic to enchant it. This makes "celestial" into a package which could be added to any armor with a +22,100gp price modifier which would give that armor a +3 enhancement bonus, fly (as the spell) 1x/day on command and grant a +6 max dex increase, lessen check penalties by 3, -10% to the arcane spell failure chance and halving the armor's weight. Then you could ignore the "bright silver or gold" as 'flavor text' and make "celestial" armor out of whatever the DM will allow. You could even say that adding "celestial" to the armor turns it bright silver or gold (crafter's choice) so that all celestial armor looks "celestial."
Method 2) Munchkinny nonsense plausibly allowable per RAW with a very generous DM. Hit the celestial armor with Dispel Magic until you succeed. Per the spell description- "If you succeed, all the item’s magical properties are suppressed for 1d4 rounds, after which the item recovers on its own. A suppressed item becomes nonmagical for the duration of the effect." Since it's temporarily non-magical, cast Polymorph Any Object on it and change it from a "bright silver or gold" suit of chainmail to a mithral suit of chainmail. Since this change is within the same kingdom, class and size the change will be permanent. When the Dispel Magic suppression wears off, provided the DM didn't just look at you funny and then smack you upside the head for attempting this, you should have a mithral suit of celestial armor. Or he could rule it changes back to normal, losing it's new mithral-ness, because "celestial armor" is magically made of an unnamed "bright silver or gold" metal that isn't mithril and that quality was suppressed along with everything else. Or he could rule that the suit is now a magic item again and no longer affectable by Polymorph Any Object, so the spell effect goes away. Of course, even if he does allow it, if it gets hit with Dispel Magic, the change caused by Polymorph Any Object can be dispelled changing it back to normal.
BTW, since I'm bringing up munchkinny nonsense, you can't have "Celestial Mithral Demon Rhino Hide Armor" either. One, because rhino hide armor is specifically described as "made from rhinoceros hide" (as opposed to celestial's "bright silver or gold" that could be either the color or the metal) and thus cannot also be made from mithral- unless you can somehow find rhinoceros with a natural mithral hide. Maybe a rhino with the half-dragon template:Mithral Dragon. Two, 'celestial' and 'demon' have opposing auras- [good] and [evil]. One item can't be both.
So- using the 'package' idea from method 1 above, IF you can find a half-mithral dragon rhinoceros, you could make mithral rhino hide armor that was either 'celestial' or 'demon' AND you could give it Mighty (Cleaving I assume- not sure what "mighty" by itself could be), Ghost touch spikes that were Anarchic or Axiomatic AND Holy or Unholy.
Method 1) Get the Craft magic Arms and Armor feat, be of good alignment, know how to cast fly then spend the time and requisite 12,550 gp + 1,004 XP. Those are the prereqs to craft the armor. Just because the description says "bright silver or gold", this could just as easily mean color as the the actual metals silver or gold. Mithral is a "silvery, glistening metal" and matches that description. Of course, maybe all celestial armor is already made from mithral, thus the "bright silver" description, and thus this point is moot. Or "bright silver or gold" is just a description and celestial armor's max dex, check penalty and ASF chance benefits are just part of the magic to enchant it. This makes "celestial" into a package which could be added to any armor with a +22,100gp price modifier which would give that armor a +3 enhancement bonus, fly (as the spell) 1x/day on command and grant a +6 max dex increase, lessen check penalties by 3, -10% to the arcane spell failure chance and halving the armor's weight. Then you could ignore the "bright silver or gold" as 'flavor text' and make "celestial" armor out of whatever the DM will allow. You could even say that adding "celestial" to the armor turns it bright silver or gold (crafter's choice) so that all celestial armor looks "celestial."
Method 2) Munchkinny nonsense plausibly allowable per RAW with a very generous DM. Hit the celestial armor with Dispel Magic until you succeed. Per the spell description- "If you succeed, all the item’s magical properties are suppressed for 1d4 rounds, after which the item recovers on its own. A suppressed item becomes nonmagical for the duration of the effect." Since it's temporarily non-magical, cast Polymorph Any Object on it and change it from a "bright silver or gold" suit of chainmail to a mithral suit of chainmail. Since this change is within the same kingdom, class and size the change will be permanent. When the Dispel Magic suppression wears off, provided the DM didn't just look at you funny and then smack you upside the head for attempting this, you should have a mithral suit of celestial armor. Or he could rule it changes back to normal, losing it's new mithral-ness, because "celestial armor" is magically made of an unnamed "bright silver or gold" metal that isn't mithril and that quality was suppressed along with everything else. Or he could rule that the suit is now a magic item again and no longer affectable by Polymorph Any Object, so the spell effect goes away. Of course, even if he does allow it, if it gets hit with Dispel Magic, the change caused by Polymorph Any Object can be dispelled changing it back to normal.
BTW, since I'm bringing up munchkinny nonsense, you can't have "Celestial Mithral Demon Rhino Hide Armor" either. One, because rhino hide armor is specifically described as "made from rhinoceros hide" (as opposed to celestial's "bright silver or gold" that could be either the color or the metal) and thus cannot also be made from mithral- unless you can somehow find rhinoceros with a natural mithral hide. Maybe a rhino with the half-dragon template:Mithral Dragon. Two, 'celestial' and 'demon' have opposing auras- [good] and [evil]. One item can't be both.
So- using the 'package' idea from method 1 above, IF you can find a half-mithral dragon rhinoceros, you could make mithral rhino hide armor that was either 'celestial' or 'demon' AND you could give it Mighty (Cleaving I assume- not sure what "mighty" by itself could be), Ghost touch spikes that were Anarchic or Axiomatic AND Holy or Unholy.
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Particle_Man
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To put it another way, would you allow a Silver, Cold Iron, Adamantine Greatsword?
glass
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Any item not listed in the DMG only exists if the DM says so, 'specific item' or not. As a DM, I personally 'say so' unless I thing the resulting item is broken, but YMMV.Neorealist said:
EDIT: Having said that, in this case the celestial armour does appear to already be made of a special material, so no mithril. I wouldn't have a problem ading Twilight to it though.
glass.
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Neorealist
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glass said:
And that is a perfectly reasonable viewpoint; one which i can agree with. I tend to say though that everything magical and mundane in the core books exists 'as is' for the players in my group to look for and know about. Anything non-core has to pass my inspection before it even exists in game, but that is just a sensible precaution in my opinion. On special modifications like this though, I tend to side in favour of the rules as i understand them even if the resulting item would still be 'balanced'; to better keep a consistant foundation to play our games upon. (unless the result is both balanced, and really fun to have/use/observe/play with)
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Particle_Man
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Drowbane said:
Two. Silver or Gold.
Moonstone Spider
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Some of the specific armors and weapons pretty obviously should be modifiable, for instance the Adamantine Fullplate can be recreated pretty easily since its, well, adamantine fullplate. However I'm not sure that should apply to armors with unique magical powers.
