Can creature immune to poison, suffer form the nauseated effect?

[Caliban]

Sometimes the rules forum is all about ignoring common sense. I'd think a Rules Monkey would know that.

That's why I'm not a Rules Lawyer. I don't ignore common sense. I try not to abuse the rules.

 

[Caliban]

But if it's a spell that simply says "You're nauseated, no save", that isn't a poison, disease, or mind-affecting effect... they're not immune.

-Hyp.

Also: show me a spell or effect that automatically nauseates you without a Fort save.

 

[AuraSeer]

There's not much point in giving nonliving creatures nausea immunity, because AFAICT there's no nauseating effect that can touch them anyway. The vast majority allow Fortitude saves; a few inflict nausea by mental compulsion. Either way, they don't work on constructs or undead. Arguing whether they have literal nausea immunity is like arguing the distinction between infinite AC and infinite DR-- though they're conceptualized very differently, it's an academic discussion because the eventual game effect is identical.

IMO the current situation, without a specific nausea immunity, is slightly preferable because it has greater flexibility. Imagine a hypothetical new cleric spell that applies the nauseated condition to an undead, by divine power, without being mind-affecting or allowing a Fort save. If undead had nausea immunity, the description of this new spell would have to duplicate the effects of the nauseated condition-- the inability to cast spells, do anything requiring attention, and so on-- without actually using the word "nauseated." But as the rules are written, it would work just fine.

 

[ThirdWizard]

With infinite AC, a natural 20 would still hit.

Sorry, sorry! Point taken!

 

[Sejs]

Have no con score.

 

[Hypersmurf]

Also: show me a spell or effect that automatically nauseates you without a Fort save.

It's not relevant.

Undead and Constructs are immune to any effect that nauseates, Fort negates. But they don't have inherent immunity to the nauseated condition.

Unholy Blight gives a non-evil creature the sickened effect, Will Partial, for example. It's not nauseated, but it's a similar idea.

A non-evil undead or construct is not immune to that effect.

-Hyp.

 

[Darklone]

Golem with headaches... hehehe.

 

[Caliban]

It's not relevant.

You're the one who brought it up, not me.

Unholy Blight gives a non-evil creature the sickened effect, Will Partial, for example. It's not nauseated, but it's a similar idea.

A non-evil undead or construct is not immune to that effect.

-Hyp.

That's not nauseated, is it? And it's obviously a mental effect, not a physical one, in the case of that spell.

 

[RigaMortus]

Also: show me a spell or effect that automatically nauseates you without a Fort save.

Wish?

Power Word: Nausiate?

 

[Scharlata]

[...] A non-evil undead or construct is not immune to that effect.

The Deathless (from BoED) are possible candidates for this condition, too.