Can the Magnificent Mansion be dispelled?

[Crothian]

Because I dislike magic used as a convienince

What should it be used as?

 

[ainbimagh]

I would rule that it supresses the doorway for a period of time equal to a magical item.

 

[Patlin]

The one thing that is pretty clear RAW is that dispelling it ought to have the same effect as overstaying the duration.

I am unwilling to use an interpretation that either makes the mansion a cunning trap or makes the duration indefinite as long as the caster has another means of leaving.

 

[frankthedm]

What should it be used as?

IMHO magic should be used as hazardous and unpredictable material, to be used cautiously and only by experts when absolutely necessary.

Previous editions potion miscibility, Teleport’s instant fatality chance, not knowing when Fly’s durations would end, Haste’s aging drawback and that percent chance any magic weapon wound up cursed were thing that fostered a use magic if you need it situation, rather than rely on magic as a crutch.

I really liked the Iron Heroes take on magic. The book was really rough around the edges, but the heart was there.

Magic exists in Iron Heroes, but don’t rely on it to save the day... Sometimes a spell works perfectly. Most of the time, it causes as many problems as it solves.

 

[RainOfSteel]

The one thing that is pretty clear RAW is that dispelling it ought to have the same effect as overstaying the duration.

Except that Dispel Magic can't actually hit/effect something that isn't in the same dimension as the spellcaster.

 

[frankthedm]

Except that Dispel Magic can't actually hit/effect something that isn't in the same dimension as the spellcaster.

The doorway is and that is all it takes.

 

[Vegepygmy]

Except that Dispel Magic can't actually hit/effect something that isn't in the same dimension as the spellcaster.

The portal is "shut and made invisible" at best. It's still there, though.

 

[weiknarf]

What happens if the caster dies while in the mansion?

 

[RainOfSteel]

Except that the description of the spell specifically says it is not affected by conditions in the outside world. A Dispel Magic cast on the Prime Material is in the "outside world". The door is a part of the spell/mansion, a part of the extradimensional space, and so it is not affected.

The fact that the spellcaster and those he/she permits may step through doorway ("those you designate") has no bearing at all on the fact that a Dispel Magic spell cannot affect targets that are not on the same plane as it was cast on; barring some special exception that would allow it, such as a magic item that extended Dispel Magic's affects into extradimensional spaces.

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I indicated above that I was thinking I would rule that the door could be hit by Dispel Magic, but only if it were "open". However, this thought of mine goes against what the rules actually say, and now that I have had time to think about it more, I wouldn't allow it at all.

 

[Vegepygmy]

Except that the description of the spell specifically says it is not affected by conditions in the outside world. A Dispel Magic cast on the Prime Material is in the "outside world".

Yes, but it's not a "condition."

The fact that the spellcaster and those he/she permits may step through doorway ("those you designate") has no bearing at all on the fact that a Dispel Magic spell cannot affect targets that are not on the same plane as it was cast on;

You aren't casting dispel magic on the people inside the extradimensional space; you're casting it on the spell's "point of origin," which is the portal.