Can you counter a Silent + Still Spell?

[Speaks With Stone]

Even better, use your bluff/spellcraft skill to say the words and move your hands to a different spell to further increase the difficulty of identification. I plan to give this a try soon, so how hard is it to convince a spellcaster that you are casting a firewall when you are really just casting a silent image (or whatever).

 

[Destil]

Yes, and the other key peice of information is the spell-craft skill description (PH 74).

DC 15 + spell level Identify a spell being cast. (You must see or hear the spell's verbal or somatic components.) No retry.

PH 152 states to make a spellcraft check directly, and indirectly states that it's to Idenity a spell being cast. Thus the description there is incomplete, with the complete description being under the accual skill description, whith over-rides what's written in the spells chapter. The rest of that is in arguement in refrence to using the 20 + spell level DC to identify a spell being cast without somatic or verbal components (or with ones you can't see / hear), which you can't really do.

 

[Shadowlore]

Yes, and the other key peice of information is the spell-craft skill description (PH 74). PH 152 states to make a spellcraft check directly, and indirectly states that it's to Idenity a spell being cast. Thus the description there is incomplete, with the complete description being under the accual skill description, whith over-rides what's written in the spells chapter. The rest of that is in arguement in refrence to using the 20 + spell level DC to identify a spell being cast without somatic or verbal components (or with ones you can't see / hear), which you can't really do.

Well, IIRC, you can cast dispell as a countrspell, correct? If so, and I see an opposing mage start tossing guano or something (material components, divine focus -- if I'm not undead, there are no undead, and the enemy cleric grabs his holy symbol, yes I can tell he's up to something!), then I should be able to cast dispel as a counterspell, w/o needing to identify the spell, right?

Of course, of I am not recalling counterspell correctly, feel free to say so.

 

[Destil]

Well, IIRC, you can cast dispell as a countrspell, correct? If so, and I see an opposing mage start tossing guano or something (material components, divine focus -- if I'm not undead, there are no undead, and the enemy cleric grabs his holy symbol, yes I can tell he's up to something!), then I should be able to cast dispel as a counterspell, w/o needing to identify the spell, right?

Of course, of I am not recalling counterspell correctly, feel free to say so.

Yep. The question is one of identifying a spell to counter it. Since you don't need that for dispel magic it's fair game, regardless. You simply can’t identify a spell to counter spell with other methods when there’s no components, dispel magic is basically your only resort (though I suppose I’d allow a blind guess, myself).

 

[maddman75]

I got into the FAQ

Does casting a quickened spell provoke an attack of
opportunity? Can a counterattack or counterspell be
readied against a quickened spell or is it too quick to
identify or counter?
A quickened spell does not provoke an attack of opportunity
(see Table 8.4 in the Player.s Handbook). A quickened spell
can be counterspelled using the normal rules.

Since a QUickened spell effectively has no V or S components, it is clear that such metamagics do not prevent counterspelling (or appearantly even increase the DC).

 

[Destil]

I got into the FAQ



Since a QUickened spell effectively has no V or S components, it is clear that such metamagics do not prevent counterspelling (or appearantly even increase the DC).

Why dosn't a quickened spell have components? The feat only mentions a diffrent casting time, nothing about removing existing components.

 

[Caliban]

Yep. The question is one of identifying a spell to counter it. Since you don't need that for dispel magic it's fair game, regardless. You simply can’t identify a spell to counter spell with other methods when there’s no components, dispel magic is basically your only resort (though I suppose I’d allow a blind guess, myself).

You can also just nuke them and hope they blow the concentration check.

 

[Destil]

You can also just nuke them and hope they blow the concentration check.

All the elegance and subtly of a jackhammer, huh Caliban?

 

[Caliban]

All the elegance and subtly of a jackhammer, huh Caliban?

Sometimes I like to live up to my namesake.

 

[kreynolds]

Yes, and the other key peice of information is the spell-craft skill description (PH 74).

Was this in reply to me? I wasn't sure.