Can you counter a Silent + Still Spell?

[lupo]

I see how the feat works, I use ti quite often, but if the spell is silent and still, how can you identify the school of magic, is this easier then identifing the specific spell?

From what I have seen, there is no definite ruling from WOTC (shockingly), so it seems we are left to our own devices to figure it out. Is this correct?

 

[Destil]

I see how the feat works, I use ti quite often, but if the spell is silent and still, how can you identify the school of magic, is this easier then identifing the specific spell?

From what I have seen, there is no definite ruling from WOTC (shockingly), so it seems we are left to our own devices to figure it out. Is this correct?

Detect magic lets you see the specific school. Oddly, there's no spellcraft DC for this... I'd set it at -6 to -4 below full identification, myself.

 

[polarkraken]

maybe this helps:
disguise spell allows a bard to cast spells in the middle of a performance without others noticing who casted the spell.
Since the words "like a still silent..." are in this feat it is possible to think that the meaning is: a bard can cast spells in the middle of a performance without others noticing by using this feat(disguise spell) or through a both still silent spell.

 

[Kyramus]

Detect magic lets you see the specific school. Oddly, there's no spellcraft DC for this... I'd set it at -6 to -4 below full identification, myself.

from the SRD for Spell Craft.
15 + spell level When casting detect magic, determine the school of magic involved in the aura of a single item or creature the character can see. (If the aura is not a spell effect, the DC is 15 + half caster level.)

I'd say that if you have detect magic on, I'd allow a dc of 15+spell level to determine the school ONLY.

 

[kreynolds]

I see how the feat works, I use ti quite often, but if the spell is silent and still, how can you identify the school of magic...

AFAIK, you can't identify a school of magic using spellcraft unless you use detect magic or other means. When you identify the spell being cast, then you know what school the spell is from. In fact, you know all the little things about it, like range, target, blah, blah, blah. If you didn't, you wouldn't be certain what spell to counter it with, as the name of a spell doesn't really mean anything.

From what I have seen, there is no definite ruling from WOTC (shockingly), so it seems we are left to our own devices to figure it out. Is this correct?

Until we see some errata, yeah, its kinda up to us. I'm still waiting on my answer from CS and the Sage.

 

[kreynolds]

Got my reply from CS...

I've found some conflicting info in Tome and Blood and Song and Silence.

From Tome and Blood, page 19...

"When a foe casts a still and silent spell, the DC of the spellcraft check increases by +4."

...then from Page 38 of Song and Silence...

"Like a silent, stilled spell, a disguised spell can't be identified throught a spellcraft check"

Which one is correct?

This was simply a bad example by the author. In Song and Silence, this should simply read "a disguised spell can't be identified throught a spellcraft check."

Hope that helps,

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...still waiting on the Sage. I'm starting to think that ol' Skip is either dead or he only replies through the Sage Advice column now.

 

[dkilgo]

Thanks for posting the response, K.

I think that helps me out a bit.