Can you coup de grace with an Inflict Wounds spell?

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Egres said:
Once again, note their place in the weapon's table, and the fact that unarmed strikes work "like melee weapons".

Covered that on the previous page. The weapons are separated by the feats or class abilities needed to use them without penalty (Improved Unarmed Combat, Simple Weapons, Martial Weapons, and Exotic Weapons). They're all still listed on the same weapons chart.

Hands are defined as being "like melee weapons" because they fill a number of other roles. Defining them as just weapons would lead to rules conflict on the other end of this spectrum. The wirters get enough flak about poor editing as it is... ;)
 
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Egres said:
I'm going to be honest: stating that our head is "designed for close combat", in every meaning you could give to this statement, is one of the stupidest thing I have ever red.

Nothing more, nothing less.

Again - you have not anwered the question(s). The nature of the definition determines the use. In English "designed for" has many many different uses and context applications. Depending on which one is being applied determines the nature of the meaning or "reading" in this case.

Once again, note their place in the weapon's table, and the fact that unarmed strikes work "like melee weapons".

And again you haven't given the meaning. Also as has been pointed out many many times text supecedes tables.

Tell us: do you post on the Enworld boards or on boards that work like the Enworld boards?

So now are we getting into the flame wars? I only asked a specific questions in order to trace the way that you are reading the meaning you are getting to this.

If you check Birthright.net - you will discover how much I post and in general the resception I get for it. Or you could likewise check tequilastarrise.net or Alternity.net. For things I have written - check the BRCS (Birthright.net 3.5 rules set) or Last Resort 4. So I do have some experience when I say that things are common writing errors (something you had previously dismissed and basically said I was being misleading and evading the topic).

I always try (don't always succeed) to not get nasty and take things personally when people make post attacks against me. I don't think I have every called anybody stupid or said that what they posted was stupid. I have said it was wrong or that they were misreading things but never (as far as I can recall - but I am old and they say that the memory is the 2nd thing to go - I've forgotten what the first was) said they or waht they said was stupid.
 
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Gidien said:
...(not a lot of doctors spend time researching the destructive powers of the elbow)...

You'd be surprised. Many Chi nah (butchered spelling) practitioners are also doctors. Both require extensive (I'm inclined to say identical) knowledge of anatomy, as well as the how's and why's of various body functions.
 
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Infiniti2000 said:
A similar thing occurs when a spellcaster wants to make an unarmed strike with the touch spell. Do you also allow that? Say, a monk/sorcerer. Can the monk/sorcerer cast ghoul touch and as part of the spell make an unarmed strike instead of just touching? If you don't allow this as a houserule, why would you allow CDG as part of the spell? That makes even less sense since CDG is specifically a full-round action, not even an attack. It is a full-round action to make a single attack roll.

Not trying to be snarky either, but allowing a CDG with the touch spell is a big violation of consistency. Forcing the caster to make the CDG next round, just as with making an unarmed strike, is actually totally consistent. :)


Agreed, but that's why I allow the house rule you described. It's a nice advantage for an otherwise akward multi-class combo (or so I've heard it described :) ).
 

Where do you want us to start?
A medical one will work fine.
Covered that on the previous page. The weapons are separated by the feats or class abilities needed to use them without penalty (Improved Unarmed Combat, Simple Weapons, Martial Weapons, and Exotic Weapons). They're all still listed on the same weapons chart.
Wrong.

Unarmed strikes are simple weapons, listed under simple weapons, but not under melee weapons.

Not to mention that the Improved Unarmed Strike feat doesn't avoid any penalty if you aren't proficient with simple weapons.

Read the rules.

Hands are defined as being "like melee weapons" because they fill a number of other roles. Defining them as just weapons would lead to rules conflict on the other end of this spectrum. The wirters get enough flak about poor editing as it is...
Nope.

Something can be a thing and be, at the same time, be considered something else, without being something else.

Unarmed strikes are a simple weapon that isn't a melee one.

Read the table.

Again - you have not anwered the question(s). The nature of the definition determines the use. In English "designed for" has many many different uses and context applications. Depending on which one is being applied determines the nature of the meaning or "reading" in this case.
Am I answering to Stevie Wonder?

I have already wrote that "every meaning" you could give to that statement would klead us to the same result.

Would you try to find a meaning that could prove that you have a head "designed for close combat"?

It's going to be funny.

And again you haven't given the meaning. Also as has been pointed out many many times text supecedes tables.
The meaning?

If something is considered "x" I don't think what meaning could make it being "x".

Not to mention that I don't see any text negating the table.

So now are we getting into the flame wars? I only asked a specific questions in order to trace the way that you are reading the meaning you are getting to this.
What the **** are you talking about?

Calm down, sir.

Mine was a logic question: it was asked to show you the difference between something that is "x", and something else that works like "x".

Yes, I did. You failed to define your terms, therefore, your statement has no meaning. Try again.
Sounds like Bill Clinton: "please define"yes".:D

Or something similar.

What should I define?

What your dictionary can show you?

Check out your PHB: look at the weapon table, compare it with the glossary and the combat chapter, and try to find a "meaning" to those words that can lead you to state that an unarmed strike is a melee weapon.

Remember: an unarmed strike, not a fist or something else.
 
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Egres said:
Would you try to find a meaning that could prove that you have a head "designed for close combat"?

Well, first you have to define "designed for" and "close combat". Then we can get started. Until you do, there isn't any point.
 

Storm Raven said:
Well, first you have to define "designed for" and "close combat". Then we can get started. Until you do, there isn't any point.
There wasn't any point since page one when Egres was just itchin' for a flamewar. That's why I'm not responding to him/her. You just can't have a rational debate when does the equivalent of "I know you are, but what am I?" ;)
 

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