Can You Manifest a Psionic Power While Gaseous?? WAS:Windwalk and Psionics?

[Aluvial]

Have a question for the masses...

If a character is under the 6th level Cleric spell Wind Walk, is he allowed to use his psionics?

The spell states that other magic casters cannot cast spells, and we play that psionics is intermixed with magic, Detect spells will work on each type as well as Dispell Magic/Psionics.

So, can the PC use his psionic powers? My beef is that the spell potentially lasts for hours and the guy is basically indestructable.

Let me know what you think.

Thanks,

Aluvial

 

[Uder]

I'd say no, for just the reason you stated.

Here's another WW question... if you use Wind Walk on Pandemonium, what happens to you? I'm currently just giving recipients a Will save or they suffer from feeblemind until the duration of the spell ends.

 

[Aluvial]

I'd say no, for just the reason you stated.

Here's another WW question... if you use Wind Walk on Pandemonium, what happens to you? I'm currently just giving recipients a Will save or they suffer from feeblemind until the duration of the spell ends.

I suppose I should put the other side of the coin.... Psionic powers don't require material, verbal, or sematic components.

I've ruled that Psionics provoke an AOO when you use them, like the rule, but I can't find something that says you need to do more than just use your mind...

Anyhow, which is a better suited (and spirited) towards the rules if no one can find a rule that covers this.

Thanks,

Aluvial

 

[Jack Simth]

I've ruled that Psionics provoke an AOO when you use them, like the rule, but I can't find something that says you need to do more than just use your mind...

You must concentrate - after all, wouldn't a spell prepared with Still and Silent, that had no material components or focuses still provoke an Attack of Opportunity? It's usually only quicken that stops something from provoking an AoO. I'm having trouble finding a specific rule to quote you in the SRD that calls out directly that manifesting a power provokes an AoO, however, I am finding several places that work with the AoO rule as an assumption for the "standard method" (Emphasis added, of course; quotes taken out of context, just to demonstrate that they are essentailly assuming that using a power provokes an AoO):

...such as an attack of opportunity provoked by the manifesting of the power...

Special:You can use Concentration to manifest a power or use a psi-like ability defensively, so as to avoid attacks of opportunity altogether....

...Manifesting a power modified by the Quicken Power feat does not provoke attacks of opportunity....

...By contrast, power completion items (see below) are treated just like powers in combat and do provoke attacks of opportunity....

....It is possible to make a Concentration check to use a psi-like ability defensively and avoid provoking attacks of opportunity, just as when using a power or casting a spell....

 

[Aluvial]

You must concentrate - after all, wouldn't a spell prepared with Still and Silent, that had no material components or focuses still provoke an Attack of Opportunity? It's usually only quicken that stops something from provoking an AoO. I'm having trouble finding a specific rule to quote you in the SRD that calls out directly that manifesting a power provokes an AoO, however, I am finding several places that work with the AoO rule as an assumption for the "standard method" (Emphasis added, of course; quotes taken out of context, just to demonstrate that they are essentailly assuming that using a power provokes an AoO):

:Originally Posted by SRD
...such as an attack of opportunity provoked by the manifesting of the power...


Special:You can use Concentration to manifest a power or use a psi-like ability defensively, so as to avoid attacks of opportunity altogether....


...Manifesting a power modified by the Quicken Power feat does not provoke attacks of opportunity....


...By contrast, power completion items (see below) are treated just like powers in combat and do provoke attacks of opportunity....


....It is possible to make a Concentration check to use a psi-like ability defensively and avoid provoking attacks of opportunity, just as when using a power or casting a spell....

Ok, that's what I thought too, but what about the problem of manifesting while in Gaseos Form, or under a Wind Walk. So far, I can't find a rule that defines it.

Aluvial

 

[VorpalStare]

Ok, that's what I thought too, but what about the problem of manifesting while in Gaseos Form, or under a Wind Walk. So far, I can't find a rule that defines it.

Aluvial

Take a look at the Ectoplasmic Form power (XPH p. 97-98). The description of its benefits are very similar to what you get with gaseous form, and require a concentration check (DC 20+power level) to manifest powers while it's going.

 

[Timeboxer]

Y'know, the 3.0 SRD was very clear about it, and I'm not sure why they dropped this line:

Psionics are spell-like abilities.

But if you want background for the "psionic powers provoke AoOs" thing, here you go.

Manifesting Powers on the Defensive: If you want to manifest a power without provoking attacks of opportunity, you need to dodge and weave. You must make a Concentration check (DC 15 + the level of the power you're manifesting) to succeed. You lose the power points without successful manifestation if you fail.

This is the exception to the rule that manifesting powers provokes attacks of opportunity. Exceptions to the rule imply that a rule exists, and that it applies at all other times unless otherwise stated. Therefore, psionic powers provoke attacks of opportunity.

 

[Aluvial]

Take a look at the Ectoplasmic Form power (XPH p. 97-98). The description of its benefits are very similar to what you get with gaseous form, and require a concentration check (DC 20+power level) to manifest powers while it's going.

This is close to what I was thinking... Basically manifesting powers is such a non active thing, that I can't find a rule that would mimic or copy the activity of a spellcaster when gaseous...

You can't cast a spell when Wind Walk is active, but psionics don't seem to have the same limitation... I want it to, but I want a rule to back my explanation up. The closest thing is VorpalStares suggestion.

I already give AOO when a psionic character manifests a power, but does the fact that I give the AOO have somthing to do with him manifesting when under a Wind Walk?

Aluvial

 

[Staffan]

You can't cast a spell when Wind Walk is active, but psionics don't seem to have the same limitation...

Wind Walk doesn't say anything about spellcasting, it just refers to the Gaseous Form spell. That one says you can't cast spells with components (v, s, m or f) in gaseous form, but component-less spells are fine. Since psionics don't have components, you should be able to manifest powers while wind-walking.

 

[Thanee]

Yeah, I don't see where this is even a question. Of course you can.

Bye
Thanee