Patryn of Elvenshae
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Yes, because in combat I want to play Galstaff the Sorcerer of Light, not Galstaff the Terrible Crossbowman, I Mean, Really, I Can't Hit Anything to Save My Life - Commoners Shoot Better Than This.
Cantrips as encounter powers?
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Yes, because in combat I want to play Galstaff the Sorcerer of Light, not Galstaff the Terrible Crossbowman, I Mean, Really, I Can't Hit Anything to Save My Life - Commoners Shoot Better Than This.
CleverNickName
Limit Break Dancing (He/They)
I get that. But wouldn't it be less of a game-breaker if the cleric could cast a cantrip to make himself a better shot with a crossbow? Giving him a free, unlimited SuperCrossbow is hardly balanced, especially if the only reason for doing so is "because he's a terrible shot." It's like he's being rewarded for skipping archery class.
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It won't stop a wizard from using one ability over and over (at least 4 times for an INT of 18).
One important feature of 4e is that it is more forgiving on less-than-perfect balance between abilities, because a given encounter power and a given daily power can be used only once per appropriate segment of play.
The furore over 4e psionics showed the importance of this - 4e psionicists have power points similar to your stamina points, able to repeatedly use a given ability provided that they still have power points left. And balance problems, leading to spamming particular overpowered abilities, showed up almost straight away.
Didn't psionic power points in AD&D 1st ed recharge on a per hour basis? Which would be a pretty well-established example of an ability recharge mechanic other than "per day".
Patryn of Elvenshae
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You're presuming that I think it's a game-breaker to have unlimited attack cantrips.
CleverNickName
Limit Break Dancing (He/They)
I'm stating that I think it would be less of a game-breaker to have an alternative to unlimited attack cantrips, and wondering if you agree.
I infer that you don't.
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We've yet to see any problems with unlimited attack cantrips in Pathfinder.
CleverNickName
Limit Break Dancing (He/They)
We did...spamming magical attacks made bows (even masterworked bows) useless. So we just assigned a number of slots to them and called it good. It became a moot point, though, since we ended up staying with 3.5E.
Droogie
Explorer
Pathfinder cantrips aren't as powerful, for the most part. The Playtest cantrips could use some nerfing.
Viktyr Gehrig
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It's not a big deal, it's just decidedly unmagical. Not to mention, crossbows are awesome weapons and should be carried by awesome warriors. Wizard with a crossbow is almost as bad as a non-Gith Wizard with a greatsword.
Viktyr Gehrig
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Requiring an attack roll for magic missile and lowering radiant lance damage to 1d4 + Wisdom would be a good start. Not even 'priest' Clerics should be top-notch snipers.
I like the idea of magic missile being 1d4 + ability with multiple attacks at higher levels, ray of frost being 1d4 + ability with slow (instead of stop), and so forth for the other elemental types.
On the other hand, I also think that Pathfinder cantrips could use some beefing up, and I wish at-will magic were a more significant part of the game. I certainly hope that at-will magic continues to improve beyond 1st level in Next.
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