Captain America: The First Avenger

[MarkB]

Something that struck me as funny both times I saw this movie:

Stark (paraphrased): "It's made of vibranium. It doesn't vibrate." At that moment and a couple more times in that scene, you hear the shield vibrating.

Then several times throughout the rest of the movie, you hear the shield vibrating.

If the sound effects guys couldn't just leave the shield sounds out, then at least the editors could have taken out the "It doesn't vibrate," line.

Bullgrit

It's not "it doesn't vibrate", it's "it absorbs vibration". So when Peggy shoots it point-blank, the bullets' momentum is absorbed and they fall to the floor instead of bouncing back and killing her or Stark. Likewise, the energy of Hydra's cube-powered weapons gets absorbed instead of disintegrating the shield and Cap.

There's nothing to say that the shield itself won't vibrate - in fact, given all the kinetic energy it's absorbing, it's a testament to Cap's strength that it doesn't vibrate more.

 

[Welverin]

I don't know why so many people are put out about Cap fighting Hydra. As far as anyone knows (until near the end of the movie) they are Nazis, like the SS and the Gestapo.

Yes, but we know they're Hydra and not Nazis, so for someone who wants to see Cap fighting his historical villains it's a let down.

 

[Plane Sailing]

It's nigh indestructible.

I think you're missing my point

 

[Relique du Madde]

On that matter, the fact that it absorbs impact yet gets bowled over by dual-machine-gun-man in the train...

Bucky failed his balance check as the train hit an uneven rail while going around a hairpin turn. It was just coincidental that the guy was firing at Bucky when it happened.

 

[Mark CMG]

Yes, but we know they're Hydra and not Nazis, so for someone who wants to see Cap fighting his historical villains it's a let down.

In the movie, isn't Hydra a scientific division of the Nazis/WWII German army?

 

[Welverin]

In the movie, isn't Hydra a scientific division of the Nazis/WWII German army?

Not really, well it may not be explicitly stated and I may be reading into things based on comic history, but their more a separate organization that is working with(in) the Nazi government.

I think the Skull illustrates this well, the Nazis think he's one of them, but he's clearly using them and their resources for his own goals, Hydra would be no different.

 

[Mark CMG]

Not really, well it may not be explicitly stated and I may be reading into things based on comic history, but their more a separate organization that is working with(in) the Nazi government.

I think the Skull illustrates this well, the Nazis think he's one of them, but he's clearly using them and their resources for his own goals, Hydra would be no different.

I got the impression from the movie that

Spoiler

Erskine's formula and Zola's revised formula were part of the Nazi effort to create a super soldier, Johann Schmidt being an early (failed?) test subject who then rose in the ranks to head the scientific division that splits off from the Nazi's after the high command sends some inspectors around to evaulate their progress. Schmidt/Skull kills the inspectors and intimidates the scientific team into continuing the work for him under the newly independent Hydra. While Skull was using the funds for his own ends all along, it does seem from the movie (and the use of the Nazi salute) that Hydra was loyal to Hitler until Skull kills the inspectors (after which the new Hydra salute is used).

 

[Welverin]

I got the impression from the movie that

Spoiler

Erskine's formula and Zola's revised formula were part of the Nazi effort to create a super soldier, Johann Schmidt being an early (failed?) test subject who then rose in the ranks to head the scientific division that splits off from the Nazi's after the high command sends some inspectors around to evaulate their progress. Schmidt/Skull kills the inspectors and intimidates the scientific team into continuing the work for him under the newly independent Hydra. While Skull was using the funds for his own ends all along, it does seem from the movie (and the use of the Nazi salute) that Hydra was loyal to Hitler until Skull kills the inspectors (after which the new Hydra salute is used).

And why I said I might be reading more into based on my comic knowledge, since Hydra has been around an extra long time and insinuated itself into many regimes and organizations throughout time.

 

[Mark CMG]

And why I said I might be reading more into based on my comic knowledge, since Hydra has been around an extra long time and insinuated itself into many regimes and organizations throughout time.

That's good to know (as someone who didn't read the comics). FWIW, I think the sort of "eternal" organization has more possibilities than just another Nazi spin off. In the comics, was Schmidt around before the failed experiement? (Did that even happen in the comics?)

 

[Mark CMG]

And why I said I might be reading more into based on my comic knowledge, since Hydra has been around an extra long time and insinuated itself into many regimes and organizations throughout time.

That's good to know (as someone who didn't read the comics). FWIW, I think the sort of "eternal" organization has more possibilities than just another Nazi spin off. In the comics, was Schmidt around before the failed experiement? (Did that even happen in the comics?)